The current RfC:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Verifiability_an...
would make massive changes to the way Wikidata operates (for all content, not just that about living people)
Very few people have commented. I urge everyone to read the proposals, and to make their views known, as I have just done.
Hoi, Thanks for pointing this out. If this is to be our policy it will destroy our data and the commitment of many of our regular and trusted contributors. Thanks, GerardM
On 7 July 2016 at 11:39, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
The current RfC:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Verifiability_an...
would make massive changes to the way Wikidata operates (for all content, not just that about living people)
Very few people have commented. I urge everyone to read the proposals, and to make their views known, as I have just done.
-- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
I understand the intention behind the RFC but it's pretty clear that if enforced these changes would effectively ruin Wikidata. This underlying issue is that Wikidata does not have a good enough mechanism to fully cite the way Wikipedia does, and even Wikipedia does not require the type of granularity that would be needed to support every statement -- it would be impossible. In Wikipedia you can cite paragraphs and be relatively safe.
I think this is why it is even more critical that it is possible to add really robust, clean citations (not just URLs) to Wikidata. It needs to be better because the validity of BLP concerns is not a trivial thing.
This whole issue is why I am obsessed with adding citations on Wikipedia. If I add information I always try to cite it -- otherwise it has typically been deleted. This often makes editing difficult, but how can this requirement be made of the encyclopedias, Wikimedia Commons, etc. and not of Wikidata? I understand a blanked CC0 or whathaveyou of a data set. But for a lot of content -- but biographical entries especially? That's a problem.
Not trying to be a pain and I want to support the consensus on this RFC but hesitate to do so without further discussion of solutions.
- Erika
*Erika Herzog* Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BrillLyle*
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 5:39 AM, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
The current RfC:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Verifiability_an...
would make massive changes to the way Wikidata operates (for all content, not just that about living people)
Very few people have commented. I urge everyone to read the proposals, and to make their views known, as I have just done.
-- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
While the proposal of all statements requiring citation is obviously overshooting, I believe we all agree that more/better citations improve Wikidata. One component here would be a social one, namely that it first becomes good practice, then the default, to cite statements. For that, improved technology and new approaches are required. Suggestions include: * Open a blank reference box when adding a statement in the default editor, thus subtly prompting a reference * Show a "smart field" for reference adding, e.g. just paste a URL, and it registers it's an URL, suggests a title from the page at the URL, adds access date, suggests other data that can be inferred from the URL or the linked page, shows likely other fields (e.g. "author" or such) for easy fill-in * Automatically add references for statements via external IDs. I have a bot that does that to some degree, but it could use productizing * Tools to "migrate" Wikipedia references to the actual sources. (Again, I have some, but...) * "Reference mode", to quickly add references to statements. (I have a drag'n'drop script, but that breaks on every Wikidata UI update) * A list of items/statements that are in "priority need" for referencing. For example, death dates of the recently deceased should be simple, while they are still in the news. * Dedicated drives to complete a "set" (e.g. all women chemists), that is, have all statements references in those items * Special watchlist for new statements without reference, especially on otherwise "completely referenced" items
Magnus
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 2:56 PM Brill Lyle wp.brilllyle@gmail.com wrote:
*blanket, not blanked...
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I sometimes feel that I need a "citation needed" button on claims. :)
/Finn
On 07/07/2016 04:12 PM, Magnus Manske wrote:
While the proposal of all statements requiring citation is obviously overshooting, I believe we all agree that more/better citations improve Wikidata. One component here would be a social one, namely that it first becomes good practice, then the default, to cite statements. For that, improved technology and new approaches are required. Suggestions include:
- Open a blank reference box when adding a statement in the default
editor, thus subtly prompting a reference
- Show a "smart field" for reference adding, e.g. just paste a URL, and
it registers it's an URL, suggests a title from the page at the URL, adds access date, suggests other data that can be inferred from the URL or the linked page, shows likely other fields (e.g. "author" or such) for easy fill-in
- Automatically add references for statements via external IDs. I have a
bot that does that to some degree, but it could use productizing
- Tools to "migrate" Wikipedia references to the actual sources. (Again,
I have some, but...)
- "Reference mode", to quickly add references to statements. (I have a
drag'n'drop script, but that breaks on every Wikidata UI update)
- A list of items/statements that are in "priority need" for
referencing. For example, death dates of the recently deceased should be simple, while they are still in the news.
- Dedicated drives to complete a "set" (e.g. all women chemists), that
is, have all statements references in those items
- Special watchlist for new statements without reference, especially on
otherwise "completely referenced" items
Magnus
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 2:56 PM Brill Lyle <wp.brilllyle@gmail.com mailto:wp.brilllyle@gmail.com> wrote:
*blanket, not blanked... * * _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
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These are great, important suggestions. But like with the library science resources, it seems like Wikidata is again trying to re-invent an existing wheel. Why are the existing tools in Wikipedia not being migrated and/or pathway'd into Wikidata? The stripping of Wikipedia citations to push it to Wikidata often / always (?) denudes the information of what is a very rigorous requirement on Wiki.
I love the Citoid option, or whatever has been deployed for the Wiki Markup editor when you put an ISBN number, OCLC number, or NYTimes URL into the lookups there. There is no interchangeability with Wikidata though?
#WikiCite :-)
Agree on the {{citation needed}} button, Finn! ha!
- Erika
*Erika Herzog* Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BrillLyle*
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
While the proposal of all statements requiring citation is obviously overshooting, I believe we all agree that more/better citations improve Wikidata. One component here would be a social one, namely that it first becomes good practice, then the default, to cite statements. For that, improved technology and new approaches are required. Suggestions include:
- Open a blank reference box when adding a statement in the default
editor, thus subtly prompting a reference
- Show a "smart field" for reference adding, e.g. just paste a URL, and it
registers it's an URL, suggests a title from the page at the URL, adds access date, suggests other data that can be inferred from the URL or the linked page, shows likely other fields (e.g. "author" or such) for easy fill-in
- Automatically add references for statements via external IDs. I have a
bot that does that to some degree, but it could use productizing
- Tools to "migrate" Wikipedia references to the actual sources. (Again, I
have some, but...)
- "Reference mode", to quickly add references to statements. (I have a
drag'n'drop script, but that breaks on every Wikidata UI update)
- A list of items/statements that are in "priority need" for referencing.
For example, death dates of the recently deceased should be simple, while they are still in the news.
- Dedicated drives to complete a "set" (e.g. all women chemists), that is,
have all statements references in those items
- Special watchlist for new statements without reference, especially on
otherwise "completely referenced" items
Magnus
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 2:56 PM Brill Lyle wp.brilllyle@gmail.com wrote:
*blanket, not blanked...
Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
The Visual editor has a whole UI team behind it, who've been working on it for years. Yes, citations are only a small part of it, but there is nothing equivalent in WMF or German chapter for Wikidata, AFAIK. The Wikidata UI is improved constantly, but I don't think there is anyone, let alone a whole team, developing massive new UI features.
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 5:14 PM Brill Lyle wp.brilllyle@gmail.com wrote:
These are great, important suggestions. But like with the library science resources, it seems like Wikidata is again trying to re-invent an existing wheel. Why are the existing tools in Wikipedia not being migrated and/or pathway'd into Wikidata? The stripping of Wikipedia citations to push it to Wikidata often / always (?) denudes the information of what is a very rigorous requirement on Wiki.
I love the Citoid option, or whatever has been deployed for the Wiki Markup editor when you put an ISBN number, OCLC number, or NYTimes URL into the lookups there. There is no interchangeability with Wikidata though?
#WikiCite :-)
Agree on the {{citation needed}} button, Finn! ha!
- Erika
*Erika Herzog* Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BrillLyle*
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Magnus Manske < magnusmanske@googlemail.com> wrote:
While the proposal of all statements requiring citation is obviously overshooting, I believe we all agree that more/better citations improve Wikidata. One component here would be a social one, namely that it first becomes good practice, then the default, to cite statements. For that, improved technology and new approaches are required. Suggestions include:
- Open a blank reference box when adding a statement in the default
editor, thus subtly prompting a reference
- Show a "smart field" for reference adding, e.g. just paste a URL, and
it registers it's an URL, suggests a title from the page at the URL, adds access date, suggests other data that can be inferred from the URL or the linked page, shows likely other fields (e.g. "author" or such) for easy fill-in
- Automatically add references for statements via external IDs. I have a
bot that does that to some degree, but it could use productizing
- Tools to "migrate" Wikipedia references to the actual sources. (Again,
I have some, but...)
- "Reference mode", to quickly add references to statements. (I have a
drag'n'drop script, but that breaks on every Wikidata UI update)
- A list of items/statements that are in "priority need" for referencing.
For example, death dates of the recently deceased should be simple, while they are still in the news.
- Dedicated drives to complete a "set" (e.g. all women chemists), that
is, have all statements references in those items
- Special watchlist for new statements without reference, especially on
otherwise "completely referenced" items
Magnus
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 2:56 PM Brill Lyle wp.brilllyle@gmail.com wrote:
*blanket, not blanked...
Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
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OK, this thread seems appropriate, so I just fixed up one of my scripts, it lets you *drag'n'drop references between statements *drag'n'drop URL references from Wikipedia (sidebar preview) onto statements *drag'n'drop Wikipedia links as new statements (asks for a property to use)
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/dragref.js
Maybe it helps, a little.
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 6:16 PM Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
The Visual editor has a whole UI team behind it, who've been working on it for years. Yes, citations are only a small part of it, but there is nothing equivalent in WMF or German chapter for Wikidata, AFAIK. The Wikidata UI is improved constantly, but I don't think there is anyone, let alone a whole team, developing massive new UI features.
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 5:14 PM Brill Lyle wp.brilllyle@gmail.com wrote:
These are great, important suggestions. But like with the library science resources, it seems like Wikidata is again trying to re-invent an existing wheel. Why are the existing tools in Wikipedia not being migrated and/or pathway'd into Wikidata? The stripping of Wikipedia citations to push it to Wikidata often / always (?) denudes the information of what is a very rigorous requirement on Wiki.
I love the Citoid option, or whatever has been deployed for the Wiki Markup editor when you put an ISBN number, OCLC number, or NYTimes URL into the lookups there. There is no interchangeability with Wikidata though?
#WikiCite :-)
Agree on the {{citation needed}} button, Finn! ha!
- Erika
*Erika Herzog* Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BrillLyle*
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Magnus Manske < magnusmanske@googlemail.com> wrote:
While the proposal of all statements requiring citation is obviously overshooting, I believe we all agree that more/better citations improve Wikidata. One component here would be a social one, namely that it first becomes good practice, then the default, to cite statements. For that, improved technology and new approaches are required. Suggestions include:
- Open a blank reference box when adding a statement in the default
editor, thus subtly prompting a reference
- Show a "smart field" for reference adding, e.g. just paste a URL, and
it registers it's an URL, suggests a title from the page at the URL, adds access date, suggests other data that can be inferred from the URL or the linked page, shows likely other fields (e.g. "author" or such) for easy fill-in
- Automatically add references for statements via external IDs. I have a
bot that does that to some degree, but it could use productizing
- Tools to "migrate" Wikipedia references to the actual sources. (Again,
I have some, but...)
- "Reference mode", to quickly add references to statements. (I have a
drag'n'drop script, but that breaks on every Wikidata UI update)
- A list of items/statements that are in "priority need" for
referencing. For example, death dates of the recently deceased should be simple, while they are still in the news.
- Dedicated drives to complete a "set" (e.g. all women chemists), that
is, have all statements references in those items
- Special watchlist for new statements without reference, especially on
otherwise "completely referenced" items
Magnus
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 2:56 PM Brill Lyle wp.brilllyle@gmail.com wrote:
*blanket, not blanked...
Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
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On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
OK, this thread seems appropriate, so I just fixed up one of my scripts, it lets you *drag'n'drop references between statements *drag'n'drop URL references from Wikipedia (sidebar preview) onto statements *drag'n'drop Wikipedia links as new statements (asks for a property to use)
\o/
Maybe it helps, a little.
It definitely does! Time to make it a gadget maybe?
Cheers Lydia
Sure, maybe it gets more people involved in coding as well. Having thigs show up in a "proper" way after dropping would be nice, but I'd have no idea where to start. Speaking of: Do I suggest that new gadget on Phabricator, or a Wikidata page?
Actually, I made that script a while ago, but it broke after an UI change; that's what I meant by "fixed". I even have YouTube HOWTOs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRYEjmoDkLQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP-qJIkjPf0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew7oGEhtTPI
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 7:34 PM Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintscher@wikimedia.de wrote:
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
OK, this thread seems appropriate, so I just fixed up one of my scripts,
it
lets you *drag'n'drop references between statements *drag'n'drop URL references from Wikipedia (sidebar preview) onto
statements
*drag'n'drop Wikipedia links as new statements (asks for a property to
use)
\o/
Maybe it helps, a little.
It definitely does! Time to make it a gadget maybe?
Cheers Lydia
-- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Product Manager for Wikidata
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de
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On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 9:01 PM, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
Sure, maybe it gets more people involved in coding as well. Having thigs show up in a "proper" way after dropping would be nice, but I'd have no idea where to start.
Ok If you write down what the exact issue is maybe Thiemo, Jonas, Adrian or someone else can have a look and help.
Speaking of: Do I suggest that new gadget on Phabricator, or a Wikidata page?
There is a Phabricator project for Wikidata gadgets that is used quite a bit for all things gadgets and user scripts: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/view/1278/
Cheers Lydia
These are great -- and love the videos. THANK YOU -- dreams can come true! :-)
- Erika
*Erika Herzog* Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BrillLyle*
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
Sure, maybe it gets more people involved in coding as well. Having thigs show up in a "proper" way after dropping would be nice, but I'd have no idea where to start. Speaking of: Do I suggest that new gadget on Phabricator, or a Wikidata page?
Actually, I made that script a while ago, but it broke after an UI change; that's what I meant by "fixed". I even have YouTube HOWTOs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRYEjmoDkLQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP-qJIkjPf0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew7oGEhtTPI
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 7:34 PM Lydia Pintscher < lydia.pintscher@wikimedia.de> wrote:
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
OK, this thread seems appropriate, so I just fixed up one of my
scripts, it
lets you *drag'n'drop references between statements *drag'n'drop URL references from Wikipedia (sidebar preview) onto
statements
*drag'n'drop Wikipedia links as new statements (asks for a property to
use)
\o/
Maybe it helps, a little.
It definitely does! Time to make it a gadget maybe?
Cheers Lydia
-- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Product Manager for Wikidata
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
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For fellow newbies, to activate these user scripts 1. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Tools/User_scripts 2. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:MyPage/common.js 3. Search for Magnus' scripts 4. click on "Create" at top right 5. paste script i.e., importScript( 'User:Magnus_Manske/dragref.js' ); 6. refresh and/or restart browser
- Erika
*Erika Herzog* Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BrillLyle*
On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 1:10 AM, Brill Lyle wp.brilllyle@gmail.com wrote:
These are great -- and love the videos. THANK YOU -- dreams can come true! :-)
- Erika
*Erika Herzog* Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BrillLyle*
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Magnus Manske <magnusmanske@googlemail.com
wrote:
Sure, maybe it gets more people involved in coding as well. Having thigs show up in a "proper" way after dropping would be nice, but I'd have no idea where to start. Speaking of: Do I suggest that new gadget on Phabricator, or a Wikidata page?
Actually, I made that script a while ago, but it broke after an UI change; that's what I meant by "fixed". I even have YouTube HOWTOs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRYEjmoDkLQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP-qJIkjPf0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew7oGEhtTPI
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 7:34 PM Lydia Pintscher < lydia.pintscher@wikimedia.de> wrote:
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
OK, this thread seems appropriate, so I just fixed up one of my
scripts, it
lets you *drag'n'drop references between statements *drag'n'drop URL references from Wikipedia (sidebar preview) onto
statements
*drag'n'drop Wikipedia links as new statements (asks for a property to
use)
Three cheers for these scripts, Magnus!
Scott
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
OK, this thread seems appropriate, so I just fixed up one of my scripts, it lets you *drag'n'drop references between statements *drag'n'drop URL references from Wikipedia (sidebar preview) onto statements *drag'n'drop Wikipedia links as new statements (asks for a property to use)
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/dragref.js
Maybe it helps, a little.
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 6:16 PM Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
The Visual editor has a whole UI team behind it, who've been working on it for years. Yes, citations are only a small part of it, but there is nothing equivalent in WMF or German chapter for Wikidata, AFAIK. The Wikidata UI is improved constantly, but I don't think there is anyone, let alone a whole team, developing massive new UI features.
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 5:14 PM Brill Lyle wp.brilllyle@gmail.com wrote:
These are great, important suggestions. But like with the library science resources, it seems like Wikidata is again trying to re-invent an existing wheel. Why are the existing tools in Wikipedia not being migrated and/or pathway'd into Wikidata? The stripping of Wikipedia citations to push it to Wikidata often / always (?) denudes the information of what is a very rigorous requirement on Wiki.
I love the Citoid option, or whatever has been deployed for the Wiki Markup editor when you put an ISBN number, OCLC number, or NYTimes URL into the lookups there. There is no interchangeability with Wikidata though?
#WikiCite :-)
Agree on the {{citation needed}} button, Finn! ha!
- Erika
*Erika Herzog* Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BrillLyle*
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Magnus Manske < magnusmanske@googlemail.com> wrote:
While the proposal of all statements requiring citation is obviously overshooting, I believe we all agree that more/better citations improve Wikidata. One component here would be a social one, namely that it first becomes good practice, then the default, to cite statements. For that, improved technology and new approaches are required. Suggestions include:
- Open a blank reference box when adding a statement in the default
editor, thus subtly prompting a reference
- Show a "smart field" for reference adding, e.g. just paste a URL, and
it registers it's an URL, suggests a title from the page at the URL, adds access date, suggests other data that can be inferred from the URL or the linked page, shows likely other fields (e.g. "author" or such) for easy fill-in
- Automatically add references for statements via external IDs. I have
a bot that does that to some degree, but it could use productizing
- Tools to "migrate" Wikipedia references to the actual sources.
(Again, I have some, but...)
- "Reference mode", to quickly add references to statements. (I have a
drag'n'drop script, but that breaks on every Wikidata UI update)
- A list of items/statements that are in "priority need" for
referencing. For example, death dates of the recently deceased should be simple, while they are still in the news.
- Dedicated drives to complete a "set" (e.g. all women chemists), that
is, have all statements references in those items
- Special watchlist for new statements without reference, especially on
otherwise "completely referenced" items
Magnus
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 2:56 PM Brill Lyle wp.brilllyle@gmail.com wrote:
*blanket, not blanked...
Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
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On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
The Visual editor has a whole UI team behind it, who've been working on it for years. Yes, citations are only a small part of it, but there is nothing equivalent in WMF or German chapter for Wikidata, AFAIK. The Wikidata UI is improved constantly, but I don't think there is anyone, let alone a whole team, developing massive new UI features.
Katie is currently working on a gadget for citoid on Wikidata. I hope we can get it into the next sprint to then have a really basic first version for people to try. Tracking at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131661 I am confident this will get us in the right direction. Agree with pretty much all of your suggestions.
General remark for everyone in this thread: I encourage you all to discuss here but if you care about the outcome of the RfC please go and add your opinion there. What is on the RfC page is what determines the outcome of the RfC.
Cheers Lydia
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 7:25 PM Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintscher@wikimedia.de wrote:
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
The Visual editor has a whole UI team behind it, who've been working on
it
for years. Yes, citations are only a small part of it, but there is
nothing
equivalent in WMF or German chapter for Wikidata, AFAIK. The Wikidata UI
is
improved constantly, but I don't think there is anyone, let alone a whole team, developing massive new UI features.
Katie is currently working on a gadget for citoid on Wikidata. I hope we can get it into the next sprint to then have a really basic first version for people to try. Tracking at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131661 I am confident this will get us in the right direction.
Three cheers for the Wikidata team!
My concern is that I don't want to bring up anything that might be even a little negative or critical -- as I think this is a delicate issue that could have a real blow-back effect on Wikidata.
It would be framed from a constructive perspective, and would reference these upcoming tools, but what happens in the meantime? A shutdown of aspects of Wikidata? I wouldn't want to be part of that, as I support Wikidata.
- Erika
*Erika Herzog* Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BrillLyle*
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Lydia Pintscher < lydia.pintscher@wikimedia.de> wrote:
General remark for everyone in this thread: I encourage you all to discuss here but if you care about the outcome of the RfC please go and add your opinion there. What is on the RfC page is what determines the outcome of the RfC.
Cheers Lydia
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