The Visual editor has a whole UI team behind it, who've been working on it for years. Yes, citations are only a small part of it, but there is nothing equivalent in WMF or German chapter for Wikidata, AFAIK. The Wikidata UI is improved constantly, but I don't think there is anyone, let alone a whole team, developing massive new UI features.


On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 5:14 PM Brill Lyle <wp.brilllyle@gmail.com> wrote:
These are great, important suggestions. But like with the library science resources, it seems like Wikidata is again trying to re-invent an existing wheel. Why are the existing tools in Wikipedia not being migrated and/or pathway'd into Wikidata? The stripping of Wikipedia citations to push it to Wikidata often / always (?) denudes the information of what is a very rigorous requirement on Wiki.

I love the Citoid option, or whatever has been deployed for the Wiki Markup editor when you put an ISBN number, OCLC number, or NYTimes URL into the lookups there. There is no interchangeability with Wikidata though?

#WikiCite :-)

Agree on the {{citation needed}} button, Finn! ha!

- Erika


Erika Herzog
Wikipedia User:BrillLyle

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Magnus Manske <magnusmanske@googlemail.com> wrote:
While the proposal of all statements requiring citation is obviously overshooting, I believe we all agree that more/better citations improve Wikidata.
One component here would be a social one, namely that it first becomes good practice, then the default, to cite statements.
For that, improved technology and new approaches are required. Suggestions include:
* Open a blank reference box when adding a statement in the default editor, thus subtly prompting a reference
* Show a "smart field" for reference adding, e.g. just paste a URL, and it registers it's an URL, suggests a title from the page at the URL, adds access date, suggests other data that can be inferred from the URL or the linked page, shows likely other fields (e.g. "author" or such) for easy fill-in
* Automatically add references for statements via external IDs. I have a bot that does that to some degree, but it could use productizing
* Tools to "migrate" Wikipedia references to the actual sources. (Again, I have some, but...)
* "Reference mode", to quickly add references to statements. (I have a drag'n'drop script, but that breaks on every Wikidata UI update)
* A list of items/statements that are in "priority need" for referencing. For example, death dates of the recently deceased should be simple, while they are still in the news.
* Dedicated drives to complete a "set" (e.g. all women chemists), that is, have all statements references in those items
* Special watchlist for new statements without reference, especially on otherwise "completely referenced" items

Magnus

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 2:56 PM Brill Lyle <wp.brilllyle@gmail.com> wrote:
*blanket, not blanked...


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