Hi all,
Just a heads up to say that Wikidata will get its new Main page early next week, and this is a final call for you to leave any last-minute concerns you may have (at least before it goes live).
The full announcement on Project Chat, including a summary outlining the major changes and links to feedback received from the community can be found here: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#The_new_Main_page_is_comi...
You can see also preview what the new Main page will look like at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Portal_Redesign/draft
thanks, Helen
On 8/21/14, 3:36 PM, Helen Halbert wrote:
Hi all,
Just a heads up to say that Wikidata will get its new Main page early next week, and this is a final call for you to leave any last-minute concerns you may have (at least before it goes live).
The full announcement on Project Chat, including a summary outlining the major changes and links to feedback received from the community can be found here: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#The_new_Main_page_is_comi...
You can see also preview what the new Main page will look like at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Portal_Redesign/draft
This looks really cool! I haven't really been paying attention (sorry!), so let me know if there's a better place to leave my feedback, or if something has already been discussed.
* How do you plan on localizing the black banner with English words in it? MediaWiki supports localized SVGs if I remember correctly, but doesn't have a method to translate them (E:TranslateSvg hasn't been deployed yet). * If the JS is slow to load, the collapsible box of languages will be open, and then close, leading the page to shift weirdly. * The currently featured tool doesn't support HTTPS, which is something that would be really nice to have when this goes live. I would suggest switching to a different tool until that can be fixed. * I feel uncomfortable linking to Facebook/Twitter/etc. on the main page. * Will translations be prepared before the major switch happens?
All that said, the new design looks fantastic :) -- Legoktm
This looks really cool! I haven't really been paying attention (sorry!), so let me know if there's a better place to leave my feedback, or if something has already been discussed.
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- The currently featured tool doesn't support HTTPS, which is something
that would be really nice to have when this goes live. I would suggest switching to a different tool until that can be fixed.
- I feel uncomfortable linking to Facebook/Twitter/etc. on the main page.
I agree strongly on these two points.
Thank you, Derric Atzrott
Well, if I had known people's desperate need to keep their interest in the Franco-Prussian War from the NSA... ;-)
https works now for that tool.
Cheers, Magnus
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 6:05 AM, Derric Atzrott < datzrott@alizeepathology.com> wrote:
This looks really cool! I haven't really been paying attention (sorry!), so let me know if there's a better place to leave my feedback, or if something has already been discussed.
...
- The currently featured tool doesn't support HTTPS, which is something
that would be really nice to have when this goes live. I would suggest switching to a different tool until that can be fixed.
- I feel uncomfortable linking to Facebook/Twitter/etc. on the main page.
I agree strongly on these two points.
Thank you, Derric Atzrott
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Hoi, Can you explain why HTPPS is so important in a tool ? It is external to Wikidata and it adds complexity to that tool. Given that I expect featured tools to just make an appearance, it probably excludes most tools.. I would argue that the point here is to show what vibrant a tool ecosystem we have ... Thanks, GerardM
On 22 August 2014 03:35, Legoktm legoktm.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/21/14, 3:36 PM, Helen Halbert wrote:
Hi all,
Just a heads up to say that Wikidata will get its new Main page early next week, and this is a final call for you to leave any last-minute concerns you may have (at least before it goes live).
The full announcement on Project Chat, including a summary outlining the major changes and links to feedback received from the community can be found here:
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#The_new_Main_page_is_comi...
You can see also preview what the new Main page will look like at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Portal_Redesign/draft
This looks really cool! I haven't really been paying attention (sorry!), so let me know if there's a better place to leave my feedback, or if something has already been discussed.
- How do you plan on localizing the black banner with English words in
it? MediaWiki supports localized SVGs if I remember correctly, but doesn't have a method to translate them (E:TranslateSvg hasn't been deployed yet).
- If the JS is slow to load, the collapsible box of languages will be
open, and then close, leading the page to shift weirdly.
- The currently featured tool doesn't support HTTPS, which is something
that would be really nice to have when this goes live. I would suggest switching to a different tool until that can be fixed.
- I feel uncomfortable linking to Facebook/Twitter/etc. on the main page.
- Will translations be prepared before the major switch happens?
All that said, the new design looks fantastic :) -- Legoktm
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On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 11:49 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Can you explain why HTPPS is so important in a tool ? It is external to Wikidata and it adds complexity to that tool. Given that I expect featured tools to just make an appearance, it probably excludes most tools.. I would argue that the point here is to show what vibrant a tool ecosystem we have ... Thanks, GerardM
There are many good reasons not to trust http, but the recent confirmation [1] that it was being actively exploited is a good one to start with. I don't want to go too chicken little [2] since most of us aren't going to be targeted, but I think we owe it to our users to protect them whenever we can. Especially when the marginal work on our end is trivial.
Thanks for implementing that Magnus!
[1] - http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/spyware-tools-allow-bu... [2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_little
Well, if I had known people's desperate need to keep their interest in the Franco-Prussian War from the NSA... ;-)
There are plenty of other things that you could be using those tools for that you might want to hide from the NSA. The NSA isn't the only adversary out there either, there are certainly parts of the world where looking at the wrong things online can get you in a lot more trouble than in the US.
https works now for that tool.
:D Thank you!
There are many good reasons not to trust http, but the recent confirmation [1] that it was being actively exploited is a good one to start with. I don't want to go too chicken little [2] since most of us aren't going to be targeted, but I think we owe it to our users to protect them whenever we can. Especially when the marginal work on our end is trivial.
I have personally had folks spend their time and effort to spy on me, and I'm sure that there are others in our community who have as well. I agree that we owe it to our users to provide encryption wherever possible.
Thank you, Derric Atzrott
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 3:35 AM, Legoktm legoktm.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
- I feel uncomfortable linking to Facebook/Twitter/etc. on the main page.
Fair enough. How about we make https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Social_media prettier and link to that instead on the main page?
Cheers Lydia
On 22.08.2014 09:10, Lydia Pintscher wrote:
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 3:35 AM, Legoktm legoktm.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
- I feel uncomfortable linking to Facebook/Twitter/etc. on the main
page.
Fair enough. How about we make https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Social_media prettier and link to that instead on the main page?
Cheers Lydia
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Looks fine to me.
Cheers Yaroslav
On 22.08.2014 09:10, Lydia Pintscher wrote:
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 3:35 AM, Legoktm legoktm.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
- I feel uncomfortable linking to Facebook/Twitter/etc. on the main page.
Fair enough. How about we make https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Social_media prettier and link to that instead on the main page?
I am not a big fan of these sites either, but it seems a bit too strong to me to remove links to related external pages from the Main Page altogether. What is important for me is that we do not over-emphasize these sites, and that we do not include any of their active content (third-party Like buttons etc.). As it currently is, I think we have a good balance. I would, however, suggest an alphabetic (or otherwise neutral) order in listing third-party pages.
My deeper reasons to think that we should keep these links are as follows: We use these sites to engage a greater community, especially people who are newcomers to Wikidata/Wikipedia/Wikimedia. If successful, this will also help more people to understand our values of openness and transparency. I think that these values may not be fully shared by all of the sites that we link to, and this is why I am critical about them -- yet I think in order to change this it is more effetive to reach out to their users than to build up barriers.
Cheers,
Markus
Thanks everyone for the comments so far!
I tend to agree with Markus on the value of these platforms for engaging with the wider community. And while IRC obviously does not present the same concerns as Twitter or Facebook, it is simply not as widely known or used (especially by newcomers to FOSS) and therefore I think it's useful to at least point to other (albeit non-open) communication tools.
Another thing mentioned was not over-emphasizing these sites - a very small update related to this new Main page is the inclusion of social media icons; these could easily be done away with. I also think just linking out to Wikidata:Social Media is not a bad compromise...
As for https & featured content - I can confirm what GerardM said about tools and other featured content being only temporarily showcased on the Main page (as of now, the WikiProject responsible for updating the section is aiming for a new update every three weeks). The WikiProject is also very much still in the stage of proposing guidelines and workflows to govern the selection of content - while I too worry that this might exclude a number of the tools, I encourage people to propose a rule about not including non-https content if they think this is an important principle: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Interesting_Content/Propo...
Finally, translations - once the new (English) Main page is launched, it will be marked up using the Translate Extension. Language links will continue pointing to the various versions of the old Main page; different language communities will have to take it upon themselves to update to the new page.
On 22 August 2014 01:55, Markus Krötzsch markus@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote:
On 22.08.2014 09:10, Lydia Pintscher wrote:
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 3:35 AM, Legoktm legoktm.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
- I feel uncomfortable linking to Facebook/Twitter/etc. on the main page.
Fair enough. How about we make https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Social_media prettier and link to that instead on the main page?
I am not a big fan of these sites either, but it seems a bit too strong to me to remove links to related external pages from the Main Page altogether. What is important for me is that we do not over-emphasize these sites, and that we do not include any of their active content (third-party Like buttons etc.). As it currently is, I think we have a good balance. I would, however, suggest an alphabetic (or otherwise neutral) order in listing third-party pages.
My deeper reasons to think that we should keep these links are as follows: We use these sites to engage a greater community, especially people who are newcomers to Wikidata/Wikipedia/Wikimedia. If successful, this will also help more people to understand our values of openness and transparency. I think that these values may not be fully shared by all of the sites that we link to, and this is why I am critical about them -- yet I think in order to change this it is more effetive to reach out to their users than to build up barriers.
Cheers,
Markus
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