Hi,
I have a question about how wikidata will behave for template pages. For example, for http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6171351, currently it has interlanguage links as a regular wikipedia page. I'm wondering if wikidata project will also add statements for it. If so, how will it look like and how will people use it in wikipedia articles with that template?
Thanks.
The basic idea is to update templates like Infobox film to prefer to pull data from Wikidata. So for a film article whose corresponding item on Wikidata is fairly complete you can just put {{Infobox film}} at the top of the article and everything will work as expected. They can click the link at the bottom of the article to go to the item on Wikidata and update the values. Then anywhere in the article, including the template and other language versions of the article, the information will be automatically updated. To do this means changing in the template where it says:| label1 = Directed by| data1 = {{{director|}}}to say:| label1 = Directed by| data1 = {{{director|{{#property:p57}}}}}In the next update you will just be able to write {{#property:film director}} instead of {{#property:p57}}. As far as statements to include on templates, it could be interesting once the transition has more momentum to see what types of items use a template. You can already see what pages embed a template with the Wikimedia API. I'm not sure what the best workflow would be for this. I can imagine that eventually it would be awesome if I have some information about a new movie coming out, so I go to create a new article. Then when I am writing the article it has a textbox on the side to specify a type for the article. So then if I type in film for the type, it automatically adds the typical templates used in a film article to the article text and then shows part of the Wikidata UI to specify the properties that most films have. Then when I click save it could automatically add the appropriate statements to Wikidata at the same time I create the article. Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 10:28:23 +0800 From: zhjyong@gmail.com To: Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikidata-l] A question about wikidata for templates
Hi,
I have a question about how wikidata will behave for template pages. For example, for http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6171351, currently it has interlanguage links as a regular wikipedia page. I'm wondering if wikidata project will also add statements for it. If so, how will it look like and how will people use it in wikipedia articles with that template?
Thanks.
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2013/4/1 Michael Hale hale.michael.jr@live.com
In the next update you will just be able to write {{#property:film director}} instead of {{#property:p57}}.
And translated versions, too?
I think so, but someone else will need to confirm that. The information is definitely there if you change the language in the upper right on a property. You are asking about something like {{#Eigenschaft:Filmregisseur}} correct? It's interesting, you could almost write one template for all of the Wikipedias if the syntax could retrieve property names.| label1 = {{{#property_name:p57}}}| data1 = {{{#property:p57}}} Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 07:34:44 +0200 From: wikiposta@gmail.com To: wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] A question about wikidata for templates
2013/4/1 Michael Hale hale.michael.jr@live.com
In the next update you will just be able to write {{#property:film director}} instead of {{#property:p57}}.And translated versions, too?
I guess you could do it with a Lua module, regardless.
From: hale.michael.jr@live.com To: wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 02:05:01 -0400 Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] A question about wikidata for templates
I think so, but someone else will need to confirm that. The information is definitely there if you change the language in the upper right on a property. You are asking about something like {{#Eigenschaft:Filmregisseur}} correct? It's interesting, you could almost write one template for all of the Wikipedias if the syntax could retrieve property names.| label1 = {{{#property_name:p57}}}| data1 = {{{#property:p57}}} Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 07:34:44 +0200 From: wikiposta@gmail.com To: wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] A question about wikidata for templates
2013/4/1 Michael Hale hale.michael.jr@live.com
In the next update you will just be able to write {{#property:film director}} instead of {{#property:p57}}.And translated versions, too?
I think that I haven't got it completely:
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Michael Hale hale.michael.jr@live.comwrote:
The basic idea is to update templates like Infobox film to prefer to pull data from Wikidata. So for a film article whose corresponding item on Wikidata is fairly complete you can just put {{Infobox film}} at the top of the article and everything will work as expected. They can click the link at the bottom of the article to go to the item on Wikidata and update the values. Then anywhere in the article, including the template and other language versions of the article, the information will be automatically updated. To do this means changing in the template where it says: | label1 = Directed by | data1 = {{{director|}}} to say: | label1 = Directed by | data1 = {{{director|{{#property:p57}}}}}
Will such data be in that template's wikitext or we will put them as a statement in its wikidata page (such as, a statement in http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6171351)? If it is in that template's wikitext, then for {{Infobox film}} in an article, in order to render it correctly, we have to also read that template page ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_film), isn't it?
And when will such mechanism be launched?
Thanks.
In the next update you will just be able to write {{#property:film director}} instead of {{#property:p57}}.
As far as statements to include on templates, it could be interesting once the transition has more momentum to see what types of items use a template. You can already see what pages embed a template with the Wikimedia API. I'm not sure what the best workflow would be for this. I can imagine that eventually it would be awesome if I have some information about a new movie coming out, so I go to create a new article. Then when I am writing the article it has a textbox on the side to specify a type for the article. So then if I type in film for the type, it automatically adds the typical templates used in a film article to the article text and then shows part of the Wikidata UI to specify the properties that most films have. Then when I click save it could automatically add the appropriate statements to Wikidata at the same time I create the article.
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 10:28:23 +0800 From: zhjyong@gmail.com To: Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikidata-l] A question about wikidata for templates
Hi,
I have a question about how wikidata will behave for template pages. For example, for http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6171351, currently it has interlanguage links as a regular wikipedia page. I'm wondering if wikidata project will also add statements for it. If so, how will it look like and how will people use it in wikipedia articles with that template?
Thanks.
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The data will be in the Wikidata pages (called items). It will be in the items for the articles, not the template. http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q217189 The mechanism has already launched on some Wikipedias. It will be on all of them soon. Details are here. http://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/03/27/you-can-have-all-the-data/
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 15:04:53 +0800 From: zhjyong@gmail.com To: wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] A question about wikidata for templates
I think that I haven't got it completely:
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Michael Hale hale.michael.jr@live.com wrote:
The basic idea is to update templates like Infobox film to prefer to pull data from Wikidata. So for a film article whose corresponding item on Wikidata is fairly complete you can just put {{Infobox film}} at the top of the article and everything will work as expected. They can click the link at the bottom of the article to go to the item on Wikidata and update the values. Then anywhere in the article, including the template and other language versions of the article, the information will be automatically updated. To do this means changing in the template where it says: | label1 = Directed by| data1 = {{{director|}}}to say:| label1 = Directed by| data1 = {{{director|{{#property:p57}}}}}
Will such data be in that template's wikitext or we will put them as a statement in its wikidata page (such as, a statement in http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6171351)? If it is in that template's wikitext, then for {{Infobox film}} in an article, in order to render it correctly, we have to also read that template page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_film), isn't it?
And when will such mechanism be launched?
Thanks. In the next update you will just be able to write {{#property:film director}} instead of {{#property:p57}}.
As far as statements to include on templates, it could be interesting once the transition has more momentum to see what types of items use a template. You can already see what pages embed a template with the Wikimedia API. I'm not sure what the best workflow would be for this. I can imagine that eventually it would be awesome if I have some information about a new movie coming out, so I go to create a new article. Then when I am writing the article it has a textbox on the side to specify a type for the article. So then if I type in film for the type, it automatically adds the typical templates used in a film article to the article text and then shows part of the Wikidata UI to specify the properties that most films have. Then when I click save it could automatically add the appropriate statements to Wikidata at the same time I create the article.
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 10:28:23 +0800 From: zhjyong@gmail.com To: Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wikidata-l] A question about wikidata for templates
Hi,
I have a question about how wikidata will behave for template pages. For example, for http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6171351, currently it has interlanguage links as a regular wikipedia page. I'm wondering if wikidata project will also add statements for it. If so, how will it look like and how will people use it in wikipedia articles with that template?
Thanks.
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I'm little confused here: I mean that in a template wikidata page such as http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6171351, will we add statements in it? It is like a meta-data (schema) in a template. Such as, in the above page, we may add a statement as:
label: Directed by data: {{{director|{{#property:p57}}}
Then for every reference of that template in an article (such as, http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q217189), we don't need to specify director attribute again. It will first get that meta-data from statements in the page http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6171351, and then automatically get property p57's value for Q217189.
I'm not sure if there is such mechanism existing or not. Or does it make sense to have such mechanism?
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Michael Hale hale.michael.jr@live.comwrote:
The data will be in the Wikidata pages (called items). It will be in the items for the articles, not the template. http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q217189 The mechanism has already launched on some Wikipedias. It will be on all of them soon. Details are here. http://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/03/27/you-can-have-all-the-data/
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 15:04:53 +0800 From: zhjyong@gmail.com To: wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] A question about wikidata for templates
I think that I haven't got it completely:
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Michael Hale hale.michael.jr@live.comwrote:
The basic idea is to update templates like Infobox film to prefer to pull data from Wikidata. So for a film article whose corresponding item on Wikidata is fairly complete you can just put {{Infobox film}} at the top of the article and everything will work as expected. They can click the link at the bottom of the article to go to the item on Wikidata and update the values. Then anywhere in the article, including the template and other language versions of the article, the information will be automatically updated. To do this means changing in the template where it says: | label1 = Directed by | data1 = {{{director|}}} to say: | label1 = Directed by | data1 = {{{director|{{#property:p57}}}}}
Will such data be in that template's wikitext or we will put them as a statement in its wikidata page (such as, a statement in http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6171351)? If it is in that template's wikitext, then for {{Infobox film}} in an article, in order to render it correctly, we have to also read that template page ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_film), isn't it?
And when will such mechanism be launched?
Thanks.
In the next update you will just be able to write {{#property:film director}} instead of {{#property:p57}}.
As far as statements to include on templates, it could be interesting once the transition has more momentum to see what types of items use a template. You can already see what pages embed a template with the Wikimedia API. I'm not sure what the best workflow would be for this. I can imagine that eventually it would be awesome if I have some information about a new movie coming out, so I go to create a new article. Then when I am writing the article it has a textbox on the side to specify a type for the article. So then if I type in film for the type, it automatically adds the typical templates used in a film article to the article text and then shows part of the Wikidata UI to specify the properties that most films have. Then when I click save it could automatically add the appropriate statements to Wikidata at the same time I create the article.
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 10:28:23 +0800 From: zhjyong@gmail.com To: Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikidata-l] A question about wikidata for templates
Hi,
I have a question about how wikidata will behave for template pages. For example, for http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6171351, currently it has interlanguage links as a regular wikipedia page. I'm wondering if wikidata project will also add statements for it. If so, how will it look like and how will people use it in wikipedia articles with that template?
Thanks.
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We may eventually add statements to the items for templates, but none of our current properties make sense for them. http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_of_properties However, the Infobox film template is included in 76000 articles. Each of those articles has an item on Wikidata that will have statements for the properties we support. After the property inclusion syntax is supported on the English Wikipedia, when {{Infobox film}} is rendered it will copy all of the text from the template. Then it will see that the template contains templates, so the appropriate text will be included for them. It will know which item to find the property on at this point because the context is established. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Template#Nesting_templates
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 15:28:31 +0800 From: zhjyong@gmail.com To: wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] A question about wikidata for templates
I'm little confused here: I mean that in a template wikidata page such as http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6171351, will we add statements in it? It is like a meta-data (schema) in a template. Such as, in the above page, we may add a statement as:
label: Directed by data: {{{director|{{#property:p57}}}
Then for every reference of that template in an article (such as, http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q217189), we don't need to specify director attribute again. It will first get that meta-data from statements in the page http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6171351, and then automatically get property p57's value for Q217189.
I'm not sure if there is such mechanism existing or not. Or does it make sense to have such mechanism?
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Michael Hale hale.michael.jr@live.com wrote:
The data will be in the Wikidata pages (called items). It will be in the items for the articles, not the template. http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q217189 The mechanism has already launched on some Wikipedias. It will be on all of them soon. Details are here. http://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/03/27/you-can-have-all-the-data/
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 15:04:53 +0800 From: zhjyong@gmail.com To: wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] A question about wikidata for templates
I think that I haven't got it completely:
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Michael Hale hale.michael.jr@live.com wrote:
The basic idea is to update templates like Infobox film to prefer to pull data from Wikidata. So for a film article whose corresponding item on Wikidata is fairly complete you can just put {{Infobox film}} at the top of the article and everything will work as expected. They can click the link at the bottom of the article to go to the item on Wikidata and update the values. Then anywhere in the article, including the template and other language versions of the article, the information will be automatically updated. To do this means changing in the template where it says:
| label1 = Directed by| data1 = {{{director|}}}to say:| label1 = Directed by| data1 = {{{director|{{#property:p57}}}}}
Will such data be in that template's wikitext or we will put them as a statement in its wikidata page (such as, a statement in http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6171351)? If it is in that template's wikitext, then for {{Infobox film}} in an article, in order to render it correctly, we have to also read that template page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_film), isn't it?
And when will such mechanism be launched?
Thanks. In the next update you will just be able to write {{#property:film director}} instead of {{#property:p57}}.
As far as statements to include on templates, it could be interesting once the transition has more momentum to see what types of items use a template. You can already see what pages embed a template with the Wikimedia API. I'm not sure what the best workflow would be for this. I can imagine that eventually it would be awesome if I have some information about a new movie coming out, so I go to create a new article. Then when I am writing the article it has a textbox on the side to specify a type for the article. So then if I type in film for the type, it automatically adds the typical templates used in a film article to the article text and then shows part of the Wikidata UI to specify the properties that most films have. Then when I click save it could automatically add the appropriate statements to Wikidata at the same time I create the article.
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 10:28:23 +0800 From: zhjyong@gmail.com To: Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wikidata-l] A question about wikidata for templates
Hi,
I have a question about how wikidata will behave for template pages. For example, for http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6171351, currently it has interlanguage links as a regular wikipedia page. I'm wondering if wikidata project will also add statements for it. If so, how will it look like and how will people use it in wikipedia articles with that template?
Thanks.
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Thanks for the detailed explanation. Now I got the current implementation.
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Michael Hale hale.michael.jr@live.comwrote:
We may eventually add statements to the items for templates, but none of our current properties make sense for them. http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_of_properties
However, the Infobox film template is included in 76000 articles. Each of those articles has an item on Wikidata that will have statements for the properties we support. After the property inclusion syntax is supported on the English Wikipedia, when {{Infobox film}} is rendered it will copy all of the text from the template. Then it will see that the template contains templates, so the appropriate text will be included for them. It will know which item to find the property on at this point because the context is established. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Template#Nesting_templates
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 15:28:31 +0800
From: zhjyong@gmail.com To: wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] A question about wikidata for templates
I'm little confused here: I mean that in a template wikidata page such as http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6171351, will we add statements in it? It is like a meta-data (schema) in a template. Such as, in the above page, we may add a statement as:
label: Directed by data: {{{director|{{#property:p57}}}
Then for every reference of that template in an article (such as, http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q217189), we don't need to specify director attribute again. It will first get that meta-data from statements in the page http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6171351, and then automatically get property p57's value for Q217189.
I'm not sure if there is such mechanism existing or not. Or does it make sense to have such mechanism?
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Michael Hale hale.michael.jr@live.comwrote:
The data will be in the Wikidata pages (called items). It will be in the items for the articles, not the template. http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q217189 The mechanism has already launched on some Wikipedias. It will be on all of them soon. Details are here. http://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/03/27/you-can-have-all-the-data/
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 15:04:53 +0800 From: zhjyong@gmail.com To: wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] A question about wikidata for templates
I think that I haven't got it completely:
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Michael Hale hale.michael.jr@live.comwrote:
The basic idea is to update templates like Infobox film to prefer to pull data from Wikidata. So for a film article whose corresponding item on Wikidata is fairly complete you can just put {{Infobox film}} at the top of the article and everything will work as expected. They can click the link at the bottom of the article to go to the item on Wikidata and update the values. Then anywhere in the article, including the template and other language versions of the article, the information will be automatically updated. To do this means changing in the template where it says: | label1 = Directed by | data1 = {{{director|}}} to say: | label1 = Directed by | data1 = {{{director|{{#property:p57}}}}}
Will such data be in that template's wikitext or we will put them as a statement in its wikidata page (such as, a statement in http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6171351)? If it is in that template's wikitext, then for {{Infobox film}} in an article, in order to render it correctly, we have to also read that template page ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_film), isn't it?
And when will such mechanism be launched?
Thanks.
In the next update you will just be able to write {{#property:film director}} instead of {{#property:p57}}.
As far as statements to include on templates, it could be interesting once the transition has more momentum to see what types of items use a template. You can already see what pages embed a template with the Wikimedia API. I'm not sure what the best workflow would be for this. I can imagine that eventually it would be awesome if I have some information about a new movie coming out, so I go to create a new article. Then when I am writing the article it has a textbox on the side to specify a type for the article. So then if I type in film for the type, it automatically adds the typical templates used in a film article to the article text and then shows part of the Wikidata UI to specify the properties that most films have. Then when I click save it could automatically add the appropriate statements to Wikidata at the same time I create the article.
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 10:28:23 +0800 From: zhjyong@gmail.com To: Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikidata-l] A question about wikidata for templates
Hi,
I have a question about how wikidata will behave for template pages. For example, for http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6171351, currently it has interlanguage links as a regular wikipedia page. I'm wondering if wikidata project will also add statements for it. If so, how will it look like and how will people use it in wikipedia articles with that template?
Thanks.
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