We may eventually add statements to the items for templates, but none of our current
properties make sense for them.
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_of_properties
However, the Infobox film template is included in 76000 articles. Each of those articles
has an item on Wikidata that will have statements for the properties we support. After the
property inclusion syntax is supported on the English Wikipedia, when {{Infobox film}} is
rendered it will copy all of the text from the template. Then it will see that the
template contains templates, so the appropriate text will be included for them. It will
know which item to find the property on at this point because the context is established.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Template#Nesting_templates
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 15:28:31 +0800
From: zhjyong(a)gmail.com
To: wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] A question about wikidata for templates
I'm little confused here: I mean that in a template wikidata page such as
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6171351, will we add statements in it? It is like a
meta-data (schema) in a template. Such as, in the above page, we may add a statement as:
label: Directed by
data: {{{director|{{#property:p57}}}
Then for every reference of that template in an article (such as,
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q217189), we don't need to specify director attribute
again. It will first get that meta-data from statements in the page
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6171351, and then automatically get property p57's value
for Q217189.
I'm not sure if there is such mechanism existing or not. Or does it make sense to have
such mechanism?
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Michael Hale <hale.michael.jr(a)live.com> wrote:
The data will be in the Wikidata pages (called items). It will be in the items for the
articles, not the template.
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q217189 The mechanism has already
launched on some Wikipedias. It will be on all of them soon. Details are here.
http://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/03/27/you-can-have-all-the-data/
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 15:04:53 +0800
From: zhjyong(a)gmail.com
To: wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] A question about wikidata for templates
I think that I haven't got it completely:
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Michael Hale <hale.michael.jr(a)live.com> wrote:
The basic idea is to update templates like Infobox film to prefer to pull data from
Wikidata. So for a film article whose corresponding item on Wikidata is fairly complete
you can just put {{Infobox film}} at the top of the article and everything will work as
expected. They can click the link at the bottom of the article to go to the item on
Wikidata and update the values. Then anywhere in the article, including the template and
other language versions of the article, the information will be automatically updated. To
do this means changing in the template where it says:
| label1 = Directed by| data1 = {{{director|}}}to say:| label1 =
Directed by| data1 = {{{director|{{#property:p57}}}}}
Will such data be in that template's wikitext or we will put them as a statement in
its wikidata page (such as, a statement in
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6171351)? If it
is in that template's wikitext, then for {{Infobox film}} in an article, in order to
render it correctly, we have to also read that template page
(
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_film), isn't it?
And when will such mechanism be launched?
Thanks.
In the next update you will just be able to write {{#property:film director}} instead of
{{#property:p57}}.
As far as statements to include on templates, it could be interesting once the transition
has more momentum to see what types of items use a template. You can already see what
pages embed a template with the Wikimedia API. I'm not sure what the best workflow
would be for this. I can imagine that eventually it would be awesome if I have some
information about a new movie coming out, so I go to create a new article. Then when I am
writing the article it has a textbox on the side to specify a type for the article. So
then if I type in film for the type, it automatically adds the typical templates used in a
film article to the article text and then shows part of the Wikidata UI to specify the
properties that most films have. Then when I click save it could automatically add the
appropriate statements to Wikidata at the same time I create the article.
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 10:28:23 +0800
From: zhjyong(a)gmail.com
To: Wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wikidata-l] A question about wikidata for templates
Hi,
I have a question about how wikidata will behave for template pages. For example, for
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6171351, currently it has interlanguage links as a regular
wikipedia page. I'm wondering if wikidata project will also add statements for it. If
so, how will it look like and how will people use it in wikipedia articles with that
template?
Thanks.
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