Thanks, Peter,
I agree with You, I was wrong before. But also the stated as (P1932) has certain info value
and both the stated as (P1932) and the determination method (P459) could be additive ones.
Michal
________________________________ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 08:30:49 -0700 From: "Peter F. Patel-Schneider" pfpschneider@gmail.com To: Discussion list for the Wikidata project wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org, "Pavlovic, Michal" Michal.Pavlovic@newayselectronics.com Subject: Re: [Wikidata] frequency of qualifier predicates Message-ID: 5d35b0ac-006f-a42a-c3bf-d4d050a646f8@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Here is my breakdown of the top-10-by-usage qualifier predicates:
From https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftools.wmf... as of 13 July 2018
Label (ID) statements qualifiers
temporal qualifier point in time (P585) 336561 3147744 temporal qualifier start time (P580) 73298 1912311 temporal qualifier end time (P582) 54482 1236121 temporal qualifier valid in period (P1264) 67 656749 spatial qualifier chromosome (P1057) 128429 1397383 certainty qualifier? determination method (P459) 30 3407191 no information stated as (P1932) 3 667358 additive number of points scored (P1351) 1079 644273 additive number of matches played (P1350) 1507 628272 additive taxon author (P405) 0 463363
On 07/18/2018 07:39 AM, Pavlovic, Michal wrote:
Hi Peter,
of the top ten qualifier properties by usage I find maybe just the stated as (P1932) as contextual one.
Please, can You send examples of them of contextual and additive?
regards
Michal Pavlovic
BaaN/Infor-Administrator
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 08:32:43 -0700 From: "Peter F. Patel-Schneider" pfpschneider@gmail.com To: wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikidata] frequency of qualifier predicates Message-ID: 6ba70a52-1f8f-eb3a-8425-7760c56d34e2@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
That does the trick, thanks.
I was trying to see how many uses of Wikidata qualifiers are contextual (i.e., give information about in which context the statement is valid) and which were additive (i.e., do not limit where the statement is valid).
Of the top ten qualifier properties by usage, five are contextual, three are additive, and one does not carry world information. The last can be considered to be contextual, but also might be considered to not carry world information.
peter
On 07/14/2018 01:19 AM, Lydia Pintscher wrote:
On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 1:42 AM Peter F. Patel-Schneider pfpschneider@gmail.com wrote:
I'm trying to get a good estimate of how often which qualifier predicate is used.
The obvious query times out, as expected, so I was trying to find a list of predicates that are used as qualifiers so that I can craft a query for each of them. There is https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikid... but that can't be trusted as it doesn't include start time (P580) or end time (P582) which I expect to be the most common qualifier predicates.
So, I'm stumped. Any suggestions?
There is https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftools.wmf...
which
might help you.
Cheers Lydia
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As there is no formal representation theory for qualifiers, any categorization of them is unlikely to totally describe their potential usage. I tried to come up with a categorization that reflects property descriptions and a small sample of usage.
So I categorized stated as (P1932) as no information because I see it being used only to provide surface syntax from the source use. The Wikidata value of the statement then provides the totality of the Wikidata meaning of the statement. It is certainly possible that the source provides more meaning than is captured in Wikidata, but that's outside of Wikidata.
I see determination method (P459) as mostly providing information to Wikidata as to how much to trust the Wikidata value, which to me makes it a certainty qualifier.
peter
On 07/19/2018 06:06 AM, Pavlovic, Michal wrote:
Thanks, Peter,
I agree with You, I was wrong before. But also the stated as (P1932) has certain info value
and both the stated as (P1932) and the determination method (P459) could be additive ones.
Michal
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 08:30:49 -0700 From: "Peter F. Patel-Schneider" pfpschneider@gmail.com To: Discussion list for the Wikidata project wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org, "Pavlovic, Michal" Michal.Pavlovic@newayselectronics.com Subject: Re: [Wikidata] frequency of qualifier predicates Message-ID: 5d35b0ac-006f-a42a-c3bf-d4d050a646f8@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Here is my breakdown of the top-10-by-usage qualifier predicates:
From https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftools.wmf...
as of 13 July 2018
Label (ID) statements qualifiers
temporal qualifier point in time (P585) 336561 3147744 temporal qualifier start time (P580) 73298 1912311 temporal qualifier end time (P582) 54482 1236121 temporal qualifier valid in period (P1264) 67 656749 spatial qualifier chromosome (P1057) 128429 1397383 certainty qualifier? determination method (P459) 30 3407191 no information stated as (P1932) 3 667358 additive number of points scored (P1351) 1079 644273 additive number of matches played (P1350) 1507 628272 additive taxon author (P405) 0 463363
On 07/18/2018 07:39 AM, Pavlovic, Michal wrote:
Hi Peter,
of the top ten qualifier properties by usage I find maybe just the stated as (P1932) as contextual one.
Please, can You send examples of them of contextual and additive?
regards
Michal Pavlovic
BaaN/Infor-Administrator
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 08:32:43 -0700 From: "Peter F. Patel-Schneider" pfpschneider@gmail.com To: wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikidata] frequency of qualifier predicates Message-ID: 6ba70a52-1f8f-eb3a-8425-7760c56d34e2@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
That does the trick, thanks.
I was trying to see how many uses of Wikidata qualifiers are contextual (i.e., give information about in which context the statement is valid) and which were additive (i.e., do not limit where the statement is valid).
Of the top ten qualifier properties by usage, five are contextual, three are additive, and one does not carry world information. The last can be considered to be contextual, but also might be considered to not carry world information.
peter
On 07/14/2018 01:19 AM, Lydia Pintscher wrote:
On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 1:42 AM Peter F. Patel-Schneider pfpschneider@gmail.com wrote:
I'm trying to get a good estimate of how often which qualifier predicate is used.
The obvious query times out, as expected, so I was trying to find a list of predicates that are used as qualifiers so that I can craft a query for each of them. There is https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikid... but that can't be trusted as it doesn't include start time (P580) or end time (P582) which I expect to be the most common qualifier predicates.
So, I'm stumped. Any suggestions?
There is https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftools.wmf...
which
might help you.
Cheers Lydia
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