Hi Wikidatans,
On Commons, I have been seeing some puzzling Wikidata edits appearing in the properties for Commons files on my watchlist.
For example: for File:Ada Lovelace portrait.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ada_Lovelace_portrait.jpg (Q736316 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q736316) I see the edit (Created claim: Property:P18 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P18: Chalon Portrait of Queen Victoria - 1837.jpg; Added reference to claim: Property:P18 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P18: Chalon Portrait of Queen Victoria - 1837.jpg)
This portrait of Ada Lovelace is decidedly not a portrait of Queen Victoria. Upon further investigation, I see that the artist for both paintings is the same. Still, why is this edit appearing for File:Ada Lovelace portrait.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ada_Lovelace_portrait.jpg? I don't know why I should be seeing this edit on my watchlist for the Lovelace portrait.
Similarly, for File:John Jay (Gilbert Stuart portrait).jpg (Q100 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q100), I see on my Commons watchlist (Language link added: eml:Boston https://eml.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston). Further investigation reveals that Boston was the place of death of artist Gilbert Stuart.
Can someone clarify why these Wikidata edits would be appearing in my watchlist on Commons? These edits appear to be related to the artists rather than to the image files.
I do have "Show Wikidata edits in your watchlist" checked, but I would think that this would refer to Wikidata edits about the files themselves or the original artwork from which the photos were derived, rather than the artist who created the artworks from which the files on Commons were derived. Noting that the artist who created a particular image also created another image that we have on Commons seems to be particularly far-removed from information that I need to know as someone who would be interested in knowing about Wikidata changes about the particular file that I'm watching (as opposed to the Wikidata information about the artist.)
Pine
On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 3:36 AM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Wikidatans,
On Commons, I have been seeing some puzzling Wikidata edits appearing in the properties for Commons files on my watchlist.
For example: for File:Ada Lovelace portrait.jpg (Q736316) I see the edit (Created claim: Property:P18: Chalon Portrait of Queen Victoria - 1837.jpg; Added reference to claim: Property:P18: Chalon Portrait of Queen Victoria - 1837.jpg)
This portrait of Ada Lovelace is decidedly not a portrait of Queen Victoria. Upon further investigation, I see that the artist for both paintings is the same. Still, why is this edit appearing for File:Ada Lovelace portrait.jpg? I don't know why I should be seeing this edit on my watchlist for the Lovelace portrait.
Similarly, for File:John Jay (Gilbert Stuart portrait).jpg (Q100), I see on my Commons watchlist (Language link added: eml:Boston). Further investigation reveals that Boston was the place of death of artist Gilbert Stuart.
Can someone clarify why these Wikidata edits would be appearing in my watchlist on Commons? These edits appear to be related to the artists rather than to the image files.
I do have "Show Wikidata edits in your watchlist" checked, but I would think that this would refer to Wikidata edits about the files themselves or the original artwork from which the photos were derived, rather than the artist who created the artworks from which the files on Commons were derived. Noting that the artist who created a particular image also created another image that we have on Commons seems to be particularly far-removed from information that I need to know as someone who would be interested in knowing about Wikidata changes about the particular file that I'm watching (as opposed to the Wikidata information about the artist.)
Data from the item for the artist and Boston are included in the file pages. So changes to those pages can have an influence on the file page and are therefore shown to you. (The granularity of the change tracking is not good enough to tell those cases apart from the ones where it isn't useful meaningfully.) We need to improve this but I don't have the plan yet for how to do it properly.
Cheers Lydia
Understood. Is there an existing Phab ticket for this somewhere? If not I can create one.
Thanks,
Pine
On Aug 2, 2016 01:25, "Lydia Pintscher" lydia.pintscher@wikimedia.de wrote:
On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 3:36 AM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Wikidatans,
On Commons, I have been seeing some puzzling Wikidata edits appearing in
the
properties for Commons files on my watchlist.
For example: for File:Ada Lovelace portrait.jpg (Q736316) I see the edit (Created claim: Property:P18: Chalon Portrait of Queen Victoria -
1837.jpg;
Added reference to claim: Property:P18: Chalon Portrait of Queen
Victoria -
1837.jpg)
This portrait of Ada Lovelace is decidedly not a portrait of Queen
Victoria.
Upon further investigation, I see that the artist for both paintings is
the
same. Still, why is this edit appearing for File:Ada Lovelace
portrait.jpg?
I don't know why I should be seeing this edit on my watchlist for the Lovelace portrait.
Similarly, for File:John Jay (Gilbert Stuart portrait).jpg (Q100), I see
on
my Commons watchlist (Language link added: eml:Boston). Further investigation reveals that Boston was the place of death of artist
Gilbert
Stuart.
Can someone clarify why these Wikidata edits would be appearing in my watchlist on Commons? These edits appear to be related to the artists
rather
than to the image files.
I do have "Show Wikidata edits in your watchlist" checked, but I would
think
that this would refer to Wikidata edits about the files themselves or the original artwork from which the photos were derived, rather than the
artist
who created the artworks from which the files on Commons were derived. Noting that the artist who created a particular image also created
another
image that we have on Commons seems to be particularly far-removed from information that I need to know as someone who would be interested in knowing about Wikidata changes about the particular file that I'm
watching
(as opposed to the Wikidata information about the artist.)
Data from the item for the artist and Boston are included in the file pages. So changes to those pages can have an influence on the file page and are therefore shown to you. (The granularity of the change tracking is not good enough to tell those cases apart from the ones where it isn't useful meaningfully.) We need to improve this but I don't have the plan yet for how to do it properly.
Cheers Lydia
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On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Understood. Is there an existing Phab ticket for this somewhere? If not I can create one.
We have https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90436
Cheers Lydia