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Ghislain ATEMEZING

2 Aug 2016 2 Aug '16

10:43 a.m.

Ahoy, I am curious to know if there is a way to know that a given person is "famous" in Wikidata. I want for example to retrieve "all famous French people born after a given date". Thanks in advance for your help. Best, Ghislain -- ------- "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none" (W. Shakespeare) Web: http://atemezing.org

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Gerard Meijssen

2 Aug 2 Aug

10:46 a.m.

Hoi, There is not. The problem is that famous is very ambiguous. Famous in France or famous in Lille? They may be notable and that is why they have an item. Famous for a reason is possible; for instance because they won a prize. So yes and no. Thanks, GerardM On 2 August 2016 at 12:43, Ghislain ATEMEZING <ghislain.atemezing(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Ahoy, I am curious to know if there is a way to know that a given person is "famous" in Wikidata. I want for example to retrieve "all famous French people born after a given date". Thanks in advance for your help. Best, Ghislain -- ------- "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none" (W. Shakespeare) Web: http://atemezing.org _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata

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Ghislain ATEMEZING

10:50 a.m.

Thanks Gerard, I understand your point. Of course having an item is the first key for notability. You agree that if famous in Lille, then famous in France. I've just seen this page http://www.thefamouspeople.com/ and I wonder how they make their classification. Best, Ghislain El mar., 2 ago. 2016 a las 12:47, Gerard Meijssen (< gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>) escribió:

Hoi, There is not. The problem is that famous is very ambiguous. Famous in France or famous in Lille? They may be notable and that is why they have an item. Famous for a reason is possible; for instance because they won a prize. So yes and no. Thanks, GerardM On 2 August 2016 at 12:43, Ghislain ATEMEZING < ghislain.atemezing(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Ahoy, I am curious to know if there is a way to know that a given person is "famous" in Wikidata. I want for example to retrieve "all famous French people born after a given date". Thanks in advance for your help. Best, Ghislain -- ------- "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none" (W. Shakespeare) Web: http://atemezing.org _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata

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Yuri Astrakhan

10:51 a.m.

Any person in wikidata is "famous" - otherwise they wouldn't be notable and therefore wouldn't be there)) If you prefer the stricter notability requirement(as used by Wikipedia), search only for those that have a wikipedia page On Aug 2, 2016 1:44 PM, "Ghislain ATEMEZING" <ghislain.atemezing(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Ahoy, I am curious to know if there is a way to know that a given person is "famous" in Wikidata. I want for example to retrieve "all famous French people born after a given date". Thanks in advance for your help. Best, Ghislain -- ------- "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none" (W. Shakespeare) Web: http://atemezing.org _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata

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Ghislain ATEMEZING

11:11 a.m.

Thanks Yuri. I will try to define a kind a metric for those having a number of wikipedia entries. For example, a person with 127 entries would be "famous" while another with just 10 is not "famous"... El mar., 2 ago. 2016 a las 12:52, Yuri Astrakhan (<yastrakhan(a)wikimedia.org>) escribió:

Any person in wikidata is "famous" - otherwise they wouldn't be notable and therefore wouldn't be there)) If you prefer the stricter notability requirement(as used by Wikipedia), search only for those that have a wikipedia page On Aug 2, 2016 1:44 PM, "Ghislain ATEMEZING" <ghislain.atemezing(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Ahoy, I am curious to know if there is a way to know that a given person is "famous" in Wikidata. I want for example to retrieve "all famous French people born after a given date". Thanks in advance for your help. Best, Ghislain -- ------- "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none" (W. Shakespeare) Web: http://atemezing.org _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata _______________________________________________

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Martynas Jusevičius

11:42 a.m.

It seems to me it should be a class (a set of people), not an attribute. On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Ghislain ATEMEZING <ghislain.atemezing(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Yuri. I will try to define a kind a metric for those having a number of wikipedia entries. For example, a person with 127 entries would be "famous" while another with just 10 is not "famous"... El mar., 2 ago. 2016 a las 12:52, Yuri Astrakhan (<yastrakhan(a)wikimedia.org>) escribió:

Any person in wikidata is "famous" - otherwise they wouldn't be notable and therefore wouldn't be there)) If you prefer the stricter notability requirement(as used by Wikipedia), search only for those that have a wikipedia page On Aug 2, 2016 1:44 PM, "Ghislain ATEMEZING" <ghislain.atemezing(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Ahoy, I am curious to know if there is a way to know that a given person is "famous" in Wikidata. I want for example to retrieve "all famous French people born after a given date". Thanks in advance for your help. Best, Ghislain -- ------- "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none" (W. Shakespeare) Web: http://atemezing.org _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata

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Markus Kroetzsch

1:01 p.m.

On 02.08.2016 13:11, Ghislain ATEMEZING wrote:

Thanks Yuri. I will try to define a kind a metric for those having a number of wikipedia entries. For example, a person with 127 entries would be "famous" while another with just 10 is not "famous"...

Side remark @Stas: it could be very helpful to have the number of Wikimedia project articles stored as a numeric value for a new property in RDF. Doing a SPARQL query that computes this number and does something with it afterwards almost always times out. The number could be very useful as a heuristic "popularity" measure that can also help to give the most "important" items first in a number of queries. Best, Markus

El mar., 2 ago. 2016 a las 12:52, Yuri Astrakhan (<yastrakhan(a)wikimedia.org <mailto:yastrakhan@wikimedia.org>>) escribió: Any person in wikidata is "famous" - otherwise they wouldn't be notable and therefore wouldn't be there)) If you prefer the stricter notability requirement(as used by Wikipedia), search only for those that have a wikipedia page On Aug 2, 2016 1:44 PM, "Ghislain ATEMEZING" <ghislain.atemezing(a)gmail.com <mailto:ghislain.atemezing@gmail.com>> wrote: Ahoy, I am curious to know if there is a way to know that a given person is "famous" in Wikidata. I want for example to retrieve "all famous French people born after a given date". Thanks in advance for your help. Best, Ghislain -- ------- "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none" (W. Shakespeare) Web: http://atemezing.org _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata -- ------- "Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none" (W. Shakespeare) Web: http://atemezing.org _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata

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Gerard Meijssen
Ghislain ATEMEZING
Markus Kroetzsch
Martynas Jusevičius
Yuri Astrakhan