Hi there,
can tables be stored within wikidata database? I mean simple 2D tables like excel spreadsheets...
Jan
Am 27.05.2014 13:15, schrieb Jan Kučera:
Hi there,
can tables be stored within wikidata database? I mean simple 2D tables like excel spreadsheets...
No. The data structure does not lend itself to representing tabular data easily.
I think a separate extension for handling tabular data (probably as CSV) would be quite nice. It wouldn't be hard to do either. But I'm not sure how that would tie into wikidata as a project.
-- daniel
I am not an expert of Wikidata but I work a lot in integration of databases with several middlewares or tools.
I think that the best way is to ask a solution to store and to download data in a format compatible with datasheets like CSV.
Excel is considered also a tool to do some basic analysis, but it can be connected easily to a data source (if well structured).
Excel itself is not a good approach to store data, so it's not a good solution to keep the data in excel format in a database.
Doesn't make sense to store a 2D tables in a database in my opinion because the data have no sense and they are not helpful to anyone.
They can be stored like a text file, but I would not imagine the series of errors that can be generated importing these data again.
Regards
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com wrote:
Hi there,
can tables be stored within wikidata database? I mean simple 2D tables like excel spreadsheets...
Jan
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On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Ilario Valdelli valdelli@gmail.com wrote:
I am not an expert of Wikidata but I work a lot in integration of databases with several middlewares or tools.
I think that the best way is to ask a solution to store and to download data in a format compatible with datasheets like CSV.
Excel is considered also a tool to do some basic analysis, but it can be connected easily to a data source (if well structured).
Excel itself is not a good approach to store data, so it's not a good solution to keep the data in excel format in a database.
Doesn't make sense to store a 2D tables in a database in my opinion because the data have no sense and they are not helpful to anyone.
They can be stored like a text file, but I would not imagine the series of errors that can be generated importing these data again.
Regards
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com wrote:
Hi there,
can tables be stored within wikidata database? I mean simple 2D tables like excel spreadsheets...
Jan
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Well what I meant was just an ordinary 2-dimensional table (rows vs. columns)... Excel was just an example to make it clear.
So I guess simple tables are not any roadmap yet right?
Further step would be an n-dimensional structures... arrays etc.
I wouldnt care about format.... CSV, JSON...
Jan
2014-05-27 14:24 GMT+02:00 David Cuenca dacuetu@gmail.com:
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On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Ilario Valdelli valdelli@gmail.comwrote:
I am not an expert of Wikidata but I work a lot in integration of databases with several middlewares or tools.
I think that the best way is to ask a solution to store and to download data in a format compatible with datasheets like CSV.
Excel is considered also a tool to do some basic analysis, but it can be connected easily to a data source (if well structured).
Excel itself is not a good approach to store data, so it's not a good solution to keep the data in excel format in a database.
Doesn't make sense to store a 2D tables in a database in my opinion because the data have no sense and they are not helpful to anyone.
They can be stored like a text file, but I would not imagine the series of errors that can be generated importing these data again.
Regards
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com wrote:
Hi there,
can tables be stored within wikidata database? I mean simple 2D tables like excel spreadsheets...
Jan
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Simple tables that are in wikipedia: * league tables with columns for games won, drawn, lost, goals for, goals against, points, rank and rows for each of the teams in the league. * election results with columns for votes for each party and seats won by each party and rows for each region, state etc. * population numbers with columns for each tab (races, religion etc.) and rows for each census district.
In all of these cases I suspect that this information might be more useful as a series of statements. These could either be broken up with a statement corresponding to each column on the item for each row or alternatively with all the information in the table on one item, a statement for each row and qualifiers to each statement corresponding to each column.
What is the advantage to having this as a table instead?
Joe
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com wrote:
Well what I meant was just an ordinary 2-dimensional table (rows vs. columns)... Excel was just an example to make it clear.
So I guess simple tables are not any roadmap yet right?
Further step would be an n-dimensional structures... arrays etc.
I wouldnt care about format.... CSV, JSON...
Jan
2014-05-27 14:24 GMT+02:00 David Cuenca dacuetu@gmail.com:
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On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Ilario Valdelli valdelli@gmail.com wrote:
I am not an expert of Wikidata but I work a lot in integration of databases with several middlewares or tools.
I think that the best way is to ask a solution to store and to download data in a format compatible with datasheets like CSV.
Excel is considered also a tool to do some basic analysis, but it can be connected easily to a data source (if well structured).
Excel itself is not a good approach to store data, so it's not a good solution to keep the data in excel format in a database.
Doesn't make sense to store a 2D tables in a database in my opinion because the data have no sense and they are not helpful to anyone.
They can be stored like a text file, but I would not imagine the series of errors that can be generated importing these data again.
Regards
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com wrote:
Hi there,
can tables be stored within wikidata database? I mean simple 2D tables like excel spreadsheets...
Jan
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Can tabular data be currently saved as a series of statements within wikidata? If so, how can I create such a series? Am I able to feed such a series into a wikitable on some wiki?
2014-05-30 11:19 GMT+02:00 Joe Filceolaire filceolaire@gmail.com:
Simple tables that are in wikipedia:
- league tables with columns for games won, drawn, lost, goals for, goals
against, points, rank and rows for each of the teams in the league.
- election results with columns for votes for each party and seats won by
each party and rows for each region, state etc.
- population numbers with columns for each tab (races, religion etc.) and
rows for each census district.
In all of these cases I suspect that this information might be more useful as a series of statements. These could either be broken up with a statement corresponding to each column on the item for each row or alternatively with all the information in the table on one item, a statement for each row and qualifiers to each statement corresponding to each column.
What is the advantage to having this as a table instead?
Joe
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com wrote:
Well what I meant was just an ordinary 2-dimensional table (rows vs. columns)... Excel was just an example to make it clear.
So I guess simple tables are not any roadmap yet right?
Further step would be an n-dimensional structures... arrays etc.
I wouldnt care about format.... CSV, JSON...
Jan
2014-05-27 14:24 GMT+02:00 David Cuenca dacuetu@gmail.com:
Please, leave your comments here too:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/How_to_deal_with_open_d...
I've been gathering comments from several people, and in the next days I will try to summarize these suggestions to be discussed on irc.
Thanks, Micru
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Ilario Valdelli valdelli@gmail.com wrote:
I am not an expert of Wikidata but I work a lot in integration of databases with several middlewares or tools.
I think that the best way is to ask a solution to store and to download data in a format compatible with datasheets like CSV.
Excel is considered also a tool to do some basic analysis, but it can be connected easily to a data source (if well structured).
Excel itself is not a good approach to store data, so it's not a good solution to keep the data in excel format in a database.
Doesn't make sense to store a 2D tables in a database in my opinion because the data have no sense and they are not helpful to anyone.
They can be stored like a text file, but I would not imagine the series of errors that can be generated importing these data again.
Regards
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com wrote:
Hi there,
can tables be stored within wikidata database? I mean simple 2D tables like excel spreadsheets...
Jan
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I am really disappointed to see simple 2d tables still are not reality... the issue probably is related to the original PHASE #3...
2014-06-03 23:50 GMT+02:00 Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com:
Can tabular data be currently saved as a series of statements within wikidata? If so, how can I create such a series? Am I able to feed such a series into a wikitable on some wiki?
2014-05-30 11:19 GMT+02:00 Joe Filceolaire filceolaire@gmail.com:
Simple tables that are in wikipedia:
- league tables with columns for games won, drawn, lost, goals for, goals
against, points, rank and rows for each of the teams in the league.
- election results with columns for votes for each party and seats won by
each party and rows for each region, state etc.
- population numbers with columns for each tab (races, religion etc.) and
rows for each census district.
In all of these cases I suspect that this information might be more useful as a series of statements. These could either be broken up with a statement corresponding to each column on the item for each row or alternatively with all the information in the table on one item, a statement for each row and qualifiers to each statement corresponding to each column.
What is the advantage to having this as a table instead?
Joe
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com wrote:
Well what I meant was just an ordinary 2-dimensional table (rows vs. columns)... Excel was just an example to make it clear.
So I guess simple tables are not any roadmap yet right?
Further step would be an n-dimensional structures... arrays etc.
I wouldnt care about format.... CSV, JSON...
Jan
2014-05-27 14:24 GMT+02:00 David Cuenca dacuetu@gmail.com:
Please, leave your comments here too:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/How_to_deal_with_open_d...
I've been gathering comments from several people, and in the next days I will try to summarize these suggestions to be discussed on irc.
Thanks, Micru
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Ilario Valdelli valdelli@gmail.com wrote:
I am not an expert of Wikidata but I work a lot in integration of databases with several middlewares or tools.
I think that the best way is to ask a solution to store and to download data in a format compatible with datasheets like CSV.
Excel is considered also a tool to do some basic analysis, but it can be connected easily to a data source (if well structured).
Excel itself is not a good approach to store data, so it's not a good solution to keep the data in excel format in a database.
Doesn't make sense to store a 2D tables in a database in my opinion because the data have no sense and they are not helpful to anyone.
They can be stored like a text file, but I would not imagine the series of errors that can be generated importing these data again.
Regards
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com wrote:
Hi there,
can tables be stored within wikidata database? I mean simple 2D tables like excel spreadsheets...
Jan
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Hi yan, simple 2d tables are just really an implementation of a set of relations.
For example the tabular datas like an adress book like Name Phone-Number City John 12345 New York Katie 23456 Paris
can totally be implemented in Wikidata with two properties and some conventions : * A "Phone number" property * A "living place" property and conventions that they plly to persons. Some may also requires qualifiers.
But giving that it's always possible to implement "tabular datas" (what are these ?) the Wikidata way, is this a problem that they don't have a specficic treatment ?
2014-06-15 13:43 GMT+02:00 Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com:
I am really disappointed to see simple 2d tables still are not reality... the issue probably is related to the original PHASE #3...
2014-06-03 23:50 GMT+02:00 Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com:
Can tabular data be currently saved as a series of statements within
wikidata? If so, how can I create such a series? Am I able to feed such a series into a wikitable on some wiki?
2014-05-30 11:19 GMT+02:00 Joe Filceolaire filceolaire@gmail.com:
Simple tables that are in wikipedia:
- league tables with columns for games won, drawn, lost, goals for,
goals against, points, rank and rows for each of the teams in the league.
- election results with columns for votes for each party and seats won
by each party and rows for each region, state etc.
- population numbers with columns for each tab (races, religion etc.)
and rows for each census district.
In all of these cases I suspect that this information might be more useful as a series of statements. These could either be broken up with a statement corresponding to each column on the item for each row or alternatively with all the information in the table on one item, a statement for each row and qualifiers to each statement corresponding to each column.
What is the advantage to having this as a table instead?
Joe
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com wrote:
Well what I meant was just an ordinary 2-dimensional table (rows vs. columns)... Excel was just an example to make it clear.
So I guess simple tables are not any roadmap yet right?
Further step would be an n-dimensional structures... arrays etc.
I wouldnt care about format.... CSV, JSON...
Jan
2014-05-27 14:24 GMT+02:00 David Cuenca dacuetu@gmail.com:
Please, leave your comments here too:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/How_to_deal_with_open_d...
I've been gathering comments from several people, and in the next days I will try to summarize these suggestions to be discussed on irc.
Thanks, Micru
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Ilario Valdelli valdelli@gmail.com wrote:
I am not an expert of Wikidata but I work a lot in integration of databases with several middlewares or tools.
I think that the best way is to ask a solution to store and to download data in a format compatible with datasheets like CSV.
Excel is considered also a tool to do some basic analysis, but it can be connected easily to a data source (if well structured).
Excel itself is not a good approach to store data, so it's not a good solution to keep the data in excel format in a database.
Doesn't make sense to store a 2D tables in a database in my opinion because the data have no sense and they are not helpful to anyone.
They can be stored like a text file, but I would not imagine the series of errors that can be generated importing these data again.
Regards
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi there, > > can tables be stored within wikidata database? I mean simple 2D > tables like excel spreadsheets... > > Jan > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > >
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Probably the CSV exporters to the wikidata can be a suitable answer to this problem. For example we have the table of all mayors in Rome (there were a lot of them) with their titles and years of begin and end. It shouldn't be very hard to write a convertor that will create the property values of "head of government https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P6" property and populate all these mayors like here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q656#wb-terms
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On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Thomas Douillard < thomas.douillard@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi yan, simple 2d tables are just really an implementation of a set of relations.
For example the tabular datas like an adress book like Name Phone-Number City John 12345 New York Katie 23456 Paris
can totally be implemented in Wikidata with two properties and some conventions :
- A "Phone number" property
- A "living place" property
and conventions that they plly to persons. Some may also requires qualifiers.
But giving that it's always possible to implement "tabular datas" (what are these ?) the Wikidata way, is this a problem that they don't have a specficic treatment ?
2014-06-15 13:43 GMT+02:00 Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com:
I am really disappointed to see simple 2d tables still are not reality...
the issue probably is related to the original PHASE #3...
2014-06-03 23:50 GMT+02:00 Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com:
Can tabular data be currently saved as a series of statements within
wikidata? If so, how can I create such a series? Am I able to feed such a series into a wikitable on some wiki?
2014-05-30 11:19 GMT+02:00 Joe Filceolaire filceolaire@gmail.com:
Simple tables that are in wikipedia:
- league tables with columns for games won, drawn, lost, goals for,
goals against, points, rank and rows for each of the teams in the league.
- election results with columns for votes for each party and seats won
by each party and rows for each region, state etc.
- population numbers with columns for each tab (races, religion etc.)
and rows for each census district.
In all of these cases I suspect that this information might be more useful as a series of statements. These could either be broken up with a statement corresponding to each column on the item for each row or alternatively with all the information in the table on one item, a statement for each row and qualifiers to each statement corresponding to each column.
What is the advantage to having this as a table instead?
Joe
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com wrote:
Well what I meant was just an ordinary 2-dimensional table (rows vs. columns)... Excel was just an example to make it clear.
So I guess simple tables are not any roadmap yet right?
Further step would be an n-dimensional structures... arrays etc.
I wouldnt care about format.... CSV, JSON...
Jan
2014-05-27 14:24 GMT+02:00 David Cuenca dacuetu@gmail.com:
Please, leave your comments here too:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/How_to_deal_with_open_d...
I've been gathering comments from several people, and in the next days I will try to summarize these suggestions to be discussed on irc.
Thanks, Micru
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Ilario Valdelli valdelli@gmail.com wrote:
> I am not an expert of Wikidata but I work a lot in integration of > databases with several middlewares or tools. > > I think that the best way is to ask a solution to store and to > download data in a format compatible with datasheets like CSV. > > Excel is considered also a tool to do some basic analysis, but it > can be connected easily to a data source (if well structured). > > Excel itself is not a good approach to store data, so it's not a > good solution to keep the data in excel format in a database. > > Doesn't make sense to store a 2D tables in a database in my opinion > because the data have no sense and they are not helpful to anyone. > > They can be stored like a text file, but I would not imagine the > series of errors that can be generated importing these data again. > > Regards > > > On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com > wrote: > >> Hi there, >> >> can tables be stored within wikidata database? I mean simple 2D >> tables like excel spreadsheets... >> >> Jan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >> >> > > > -- > Ilario Valdelli > Wikimedia CH > Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens > Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre > Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera > Switzerland - 8008 Zürich > Wikipedia: Ilario https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ilario > Facebook: Ilario Valdelli https://www.facebook.com/ivaldelli > Twitter: Ilario Valdelli https://twitter.com/ilariovaldelli > Linkedin: Ilario Valdelli > http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=6724469 > Tel: +41764821371 > http://www.wikimedia.ch > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > >
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Exactly.
If the data in the table cannot be expressed as a set of statements (probably with a qualifier for each column of the table) then why would we include it?
See my recently approved proposals for properties needed for recording sports league tables (and World Cup groups) as statements - listed in this weeks weekly summary.
What advantage would there be for recording these results in a table rather than as statements? If the answer is to ensure consistent formatting then we need to look at templates and tools for entering and editing data, not new datatypes.
Joe
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Yury Katkov katkov.juriy@gmail.com wrote:
Probably the CSV exporters to the wikidata can be a suitable answer to this problem. For example we have the table of all mayors in Rome (there were a lot of them) with their titles and years of begin and end. It shouldn't be very hard to write a convertor that will create the property values of "head of government https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P6" property and populate all these mayors like here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q656#wb-terms
Yury Katkov
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Thomas Douillard < thomas.douillard@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi yan, simple 2d tables are just really an implementation of a set of relations.
For example the tabular datas like an adress book like Name Phone-Number City John 12345 New York Katie 23456 Paris
can totally be implemented in Wikidata with two properties and some conventions :
- A "Phone number" property
- A "living place" property
and conventions that they plly to persons. Some may also requires qualifiers.
But giving that it's always possible to implement "tabular datas" (what are these ?) the Wikidata way, is this a problem that they don't have a specficic treatment ?
2014-06-15 13:43 GMT+02:00 Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com:
I am really disappointed to see simple 2d tables still are not reality...
the issue probably is related to the original PHASE #3...
2014-06-03 23:50 GMT+02:00 Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com:
Can tabular data be currently saved as a series of statements within
wikidata? If so, how can I create such a series? Am I able to feed such a series into a wikitable on some wiki?
2014-05-30 11:19 GMT+02:00 Joe Filceolaire filceolaire@gmail.com:
Simple tables that are in wikipedia:
- league tables with columns for games won, drawn, lost, goals for,
goals against, points, rank and rows for each of the teams in the league.
- election results with columns for votes for each party and seats won
by each party and rows for each region, state etc.
- population numbers with columns for each tab (races, religion etc.)
and rows for each census district.
In all of these cases I suspect that this information might be more useful as a series of statements. These could either be broken up with a statement corresponding to each column on the item for each row or alternatively with all the information in the table on one item, a statement for each row and qualifiers to each statement corresponding to each column.
What is the advantage to having this as a table instead?
Joe
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com wrote:
Well what I meant was just an ordinary 2-dimensional table (rows vs. columns)... Excel was just an example to make it clear.
So I guess simple tables are not any roadmap yet right?
Further step would be an n-dimensional structures... arrays etc.
I wouldnt care about format.... CSV, JSON...
Jan
2014-05-27 14:24 GMT+02:00 David Cuenca dacuetu@gmail.com:
Please, leave your comments here too: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/How_to_deal_with_open_d... > > I've been gathering comments from several people, and in the next > days I will try to summarize these suggestions to be discussed on irc. > > Thanks, > Micru > > > On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Ilario Valdelli <valdelli@gmail.com > > wrote: > >> I am not an expert of Wikidata but I work a lot in integration of >> databases with several middlewares or tools. >> >> I think that the best way is to ask a solution to store and to >> download data in a format compatible with datasheets like CSV. >> >> Excel is considered also a tool to do some basic analysis, but it >> can be connected easily to a data source (if well structured). >> >> Excel itself is not a good approach to store data, so it's not a >> good solution to keep the data in excel format in a database. >> >> Doesn't make sense to store a 2D tables in a database in my opinion >> because the data have no sense and they are not helpful to anyone. >> >> They can be stored like a text file, but I would not imagine the >> series of errors that can be generated importing these data again. >> >> Regards >> >> >> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com >> wrote: >> >>> Hi there, >>> >>> can tables be stored within wikidata database? I mean simple 2D >>> tables like excel spreadsheets... >>> >>> Jan >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Ilario Valdelli >> Wikimedia CH >> Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens >> Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre >> Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera >> Switzerland - 8008 Zürich >> Wikipedia: Ilario https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ilario >> Facebook: Ilario Valdelli https://www.facebook.com/ivaldelli >> Twitter: Ilario Valdelli https://twitter.com/ilariovaldelli >> Linkedin: Ilario Valdelli >> http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=6724469 >> Tel: +41764821371 >> http://www.wikimedia.ch >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >> >> > > > -- > Etiamsi omnes, ego non > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > >
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Hoi, Do you have a link and an example of a fleshed out use of these properties? Thanks, GerardM
On 15 June 2014 21:49, Joe Filceolaire filceolaire@gmail.com wrote:
Exactly.
If the data in the table cannot be expressed as a set of statements (probably with a qualifier for each column of the table) then why would we include it?
See my recently approved proposals for properties needed for recording sports league tables (and World Cup groups) as statements - listed in this weeks weekly summary.
What advantage would there be for recording these results in a table rather than as statements? If the answer is to ensure consistent formatting then we need to look at templates and tools for entering and editing data, not new datatypes.
Joe
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Yury Katkov katkov.juriy@gmail.com wrote:
Probably the CSV exporters to the wikidata can be a suitable answer to this problem. For example we have the table of all mayors in Rome (there were a lot of them) with their titles and years of begin and end. It shouldn't be very hard to write a convertor that will create the property values of "head of government https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P6" property and populate all these mayors like here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q656#wb-terms
Yury Katkov
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Thomas Douillard < thomas.douillard@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi yan, simple 2d tables are just really an implementation of a set of relations.
For example the tabular datas like an adress book like Name Phone-Number City John 12345 New York Katie 23456 Paris
can totally be implemented in Wikidata with two properties and some conventions :
- A "Phone number" property
- A "living place" property
and conventions that they plly to persons. Some may also requires qualifiers.
But giving that it's always possible to implement "tabular datas" (what are these ?) the Wikidata way, is this a problem that they don't have a specficic treatment ?
2014-06-15 13:43 GMT+02:00 Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com:
I am really disappointed to see simple 2d tables still are not
reality... the issue probably is related to the original PHASE #3...
2014-06-03 23:50 GMT+02:00 Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com:
Can tabular data be currently saved as a series of statements within
wikidata? If so, how can I create such a series? Am I able to feed such a series into a wikitable on some wiki?
2014-05-30 11:19 GMT+02:00 Joe Filceolaire filceolaire@gmail.com:
Simple tables that are in wikipedia:
- league tables with columns for games won, drawn, lost, goals for,
goals against, points, rank and rows for each of the teams in the league.
- election results with columns for votes for each party and seats
won by each party and rows for each region, state etc.
- population numbers with columns for each tab (races, religion etc.)
and rows for each census district.
In all of these cases I suspect that this information might be more useful as a series of statements. These could either be broken up with a statement corresponding to each column on the item for each row or alternatively with all the information in the table on one item, a statement for each row and qualifiers to each statement corresponding to each column.
What is the advantage to having this as a table instead?
Joe
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com wrote:
> Well what I meant was just an ordinary 2-dimensional table (rows vs. > columns)... Excel was just an example to make it clear. > > So I guess simple tables are not any roadmap yet right? > > Further step would be an n-dimensional structures... arrays etc. > > I wouldnt care about format.... CSV, JSON... > > Jan > > > > 2014-05-27 14:24 GMT+02:00 David Cuenca dacuetu@gmail.com: > > Please, leave your comments here too: >> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/How_to_deal_with_open_d... >> >> I've been gathering comments from several people, and in the next >> days I will try to summarize these suggestions to be discussed on irc. >> >> Thanks, >> Micru >> >> >> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Ilario Valdelli < >> valdelli@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I am not an expert of Wikidata but I work a lot in integration of >>> databases with several middlewares or tools. >>> >>> I think that the best way is to ask a solution to store and to >>> download data in a format compatible with datasheets like CSV. >>> >>> Excel is considered also a tool to do some basic analysis, but it >>> can be connected easily to a data source (if well structured). >>> >>> Excel itself is not a good approach to store data, so it's not a >>> good solution to keep the data in excel format in a database. >>> >>> Doesn't make sense to store a 2D tables in a database in my >>> opinion because the data have no sense and they are not helpful to anyone. >>> >>> They can be stored like a text file, but I would not imagine the >>> series of errors that can be generated importing these data again. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi there, >>>> >>>> can tables be stored within wikidata database? I mean simple 2D >>>> tables like excel spreadsheets... >>>> >>>> Jan >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ilario Valdelli >>> Wikimedia CH >>> Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens >>> Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre >>> Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera >>> Switzerland - 8008 Zürich >>> Wikipedia: Ilario https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ilario >>> Facebook: Ilario Valdelli https://www.facebook.com/ivaldelli >>> Twitter: Ilario Valdelli https://twitter.com/ilariovaldelli >>> Linkedin: Ilario Valdelli >>> http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=6724469 >>> Tel: +41764821371 >>> http://www.wikimedia.ch >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Etiamsi omnes, ego non >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > >
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Oops.
My mistake. The properties I proposed weren't the ones approved. :(
The property proposals are at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Event#Sports_League...
joe
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Do you have a link and an example of a fleshed out use of these properties? Thanks, GerardM
On 15 June 2014 21:49, Joe Filceolaire filceolaire@gmail.com wrote:
Exactly.
If the data in the table cannot be expressed as a set of statements (probably with a qualifier for each column of the table) then why would we include it?
See my recently approved proposals for properties needed for recording sports league tables (and World Cup groups) as statements - listed in this weeks weekly summary.
What advantage would there be for recording these results in a table rather than as statements? If the answer is to ensure consistent formatting then we need to look at templates and tools for entering and editing data, not new datatypes.
Joe
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Yury Katkov katkov.juriy@gmail.com wrote:
Probably the CSV exporters to the wikidata can be a suitable answer to this problem. For example we have the table of all mayors in Rome (there were a lot of them) with their titles and years of begin and end. It shouldn't be very hard to write a convertor that will create the property values of "head of government https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P6" property and populate all these mayors like here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q656#wb-terms
Yury Katkov
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Thomas Douillard < thomas.douillard@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi yan, simple 2d tables are just really an implementation of a set of relations.
For example the tabular datas like an adress book like Name Phone-Number City John 12345 New York Katie 23456 Paris
can totally be implemented in Wikidata with two properties and some conventions :
- A "Phone number" property
- A "living place" property
and conventions that they plly to persons. Some may also requires qualifiers.
But giving that it's always possible to implement "tabular datas" (what are these ?) the Wikidata way, is this a problem that they don't have a specficic treatment ?
2014-06-15 13:43 GMT+02:00 Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com:
I am really disappointed to see simple 2d tables still are not
reality... the issue probably is related to the original PHASE #3...
2014-06-03 23:50 GMT+02:00 Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com:
Can tabular data be currently saved as a series of statements within
wikidata? If so, how can I create such a series? Am I able to feed such a series into a wikitable on some wiki?
2014-05-30 11:19 GMT+02:00 Joe Filceolaire filceolaire@gmail.com:
Simple tables that are in wikipedia: > * league tables with columns for games won, drawn, lost, goals for, > goals against, points, rank and rows for each of the teams in the league. > * election results with columns for votes for each party and seats > won by each party and rows for each region, state etc. > * population numbers with columns for each tab (races, religion > etc.) and rows for each census district. > > In all of these cases I suspect that this information might be more > useful as a series of statements. These could either be broken up with a > statement corresponding to each column on the item for each row or > alternatively with all the information in the table on one item, a > statement for each row and qualifiers to each statement corresponding to > each column. > > What is the advantage to having this as a table instead? > > Joe > > > On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com > wrote: > >> Well what I meant was just an ordinary 2-dimensional table (rows >> vs. columns)... Excel was just an example to make it clear. >> >> So I guess simple tables are not any roadmap yet right? >> >> Further step would be an n-dimensional structures... arrays etc. >> >> I wouldnt care about format.... CSV, JSON... >> >> Jan >> >> >> >> 2014-05-27 14:24 GMT+02:00 David Cuenca dacuetu@gmail.com: >> >> Please, leave your comments here too: >>> >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/How_to_deal_with_open_d... >>> >>> I've been gathering comments from several people, and in the next >>> days I will try to summarize these suggestions to be discussed on irc. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Micru >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Ilario Valdelli < >>> valdelli@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I am not an expert of Wikidata but I work a lot in integration of >>>> databases with several middlewares or tools. >>>> >>>> I think that the best way is to ask a solution to store and to >>>> download data in a format compatible with datasheets like CSV. >>>> >>>> Excel is considered also a tool to do some basic analysis, but it >>>> can be connected easily to a data source (if well structured). >>>> >>>> Excel itself is not a good approach to store data, so it's not a >>>> good solution to keep the data in excel format in a database. >>>> >>>> Doesn't make sense to store a 2D tables in a database in my >>>> opinion because the data have no sense and they are not helpful to anyone. >>>> >>>> They can be stored like a text file, but I would not imagine the >>>> series of errors that can be generated importing these data again. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi there, >>>>> >>>>> can tables be stored within wikidata database? I mean simple 2D >>>>> tables like excel spreadsheets... >>>>> >>>>> Jan >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ilario Valdelli >>>> Wikimedia CH >>>> Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens >>>> Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre >>>> Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera >>>> Switzerland - 8008 Zürich >>>> Wikipedia: Ilario https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ilario >>>> Facebook: Ilario Valdelli https://www.facebook.com/ivaldelli >>>> Twitter: Ilario Valdelli https://twitter.com/ilariovaldelli >>>> Linkedin: Ilario Valdelli >>>> http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=6724469 >>>> Tel: +41764821371 >>>> http://www.wikimedia.ch >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Etiamsi omnes, ego non >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > >
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Can someone show me how to make use of wikidata and save following 2D table in a structured day (properties???) so that it can later be retrieved via queries into a list?
https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seznam_nejv%C4%9Bt%C5%A1%C3%ADch_%C4%8Desk%C3%...
Thanks!
2014-06-16 10:35 GMT+02:00 Joe Filceolaire filceolaire@gmail.com:
Oops.
My mistake. The properties I proposed weren't the ones approved. :(
The property proposals are at
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Event#Sports_League...
joe
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hoi, Do you have a link and an example of a fleshed out use of these properties? Thanks, GerardM
On 15 June 2014 21:49, Joe Filceolaire filceolaire@gmail.com wrote:
Exactly.
If the data in the table cannot be expressed as a set of statements (probably with a qualifier for each column of the table) then why would we include it?
See my recently approved proposals for properties needed for recording sports league tables (and World Cup groups) as statements - listed in this weeks weekly summary.
What advantage would there be for recording these results in a table rather than as statements? If the answer is to ensure consistent formatting then we need to look at templates and tools for entering and editing data, not new datatypes.
Joe
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Yury Katkov katkov.juriy@gmail.com wrote:
Probably the CSV exporters to the wikidata can be a suitable answer to this problem. For example we have the table of all mayors in Rome (there were a lot of them) with their titles and years of begin and end. It shouldn't be very hard to write a convertor that will create the property values of "head of government https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P6" property and populate all these mayors like here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q656#wb-terms
Yury Katkov
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Thomas Douillard < thomas.douillard@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi yan, simple 2d tables are just really an implementation of a set of relations.
For example the tabular datas like an adress book like Name Phone-Number City John 12345 New York Katie 23456 Paris
can totally be implemented in Wikidata with two properties and some conventions :
- A "Phone number" property
- A "living place" property
and conventions that they plly to persons. Some may also requires qualifiers.
But giving that it's always possible to implement "tabular datas" (what are these ?) the Wikidata way, is this a problem that they don't have a specficic treatment ?
2014-06-15 13:43 GMT+02:00 Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com:
I am really disappointed to see simple 2d tables still are not
reality... the issue probably is related to the original PHASE #3...
2014-06-03 23:50 GMT+02:00 Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com:
Can tabular data be currently saved as a series of statements within > wikidata? If so, how can I create such a series? Am I able to feed such a > series into a wikitable on some wiki? > > > 2014-05-30 11:19 GMT+02:00 Joe Filceolaire filceolaire@gmail.com: > > Simple tables that are in wikipedia: >> * league tables with columns for games won, drawn, lost, goals for, >> goals against, points, rank and rows for each of the teams in the league. >> * election results with columns for votes for each party and seats >> won by each party and rows for each region, state etc. >> * population numbers with columns for each tab (races, religion >> etc.) and rows for each census district. >> >> In all of these cases I suspect that this information might be more >> useful as a series of statements. These could either be broken up with a >> statement corresponding to each column on the item for each row or >> alternatively with all the information in the table on one item, a >> statement for each row and qualifiers to each statement corresponding to >> each column. >> >> What is the advantage to having this as a table instead? >> >> Joe >> >> >> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com >> wrote: >> >>> Well what I meant was just an ordinary 2-dimensional table (rows >>> vs. columns)... Excel was just an example to make it clear. >>> >>> So I guess simple tables are not any roadmap yet right? >>> >>> Further step would be an n-dimensional structures... arrays etc. >>> >>> I wouldnt care about format.... CSV, JSON... >>> >>> Jan >>> >>> >>> >>> 2014-05-27 14:24 GMT+02:00 David Cuenca dacuetu@gmail.com: >>> >>> Please, leave your comments here too: >>>> >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/How_to_deal_with_open_d... >>>> >>>> I've been gathering comments from several people, and in the next >>>> days I will try to summarize these suggestions to be discussed on irc. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Micru >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Ilario Valdelli < >>>> valdelli@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am not an expert of Wikidata but I work a lot in integration >>>>> of databases with several middlewares or tools. >>>>> >>>>> I think that the best way is to ask a solution to store and to >>>>> download data in a format compatible with datasheets like CSV. >>>>> >>>>> Excel is considered also a tool to do some basic analysis, but >>>>> it can be connected easily to a data source (if well structured). >>>>> >>>>> Excel itself is not a good approach to store data, so it's not a >>>>> good solution to keep the data in excel format in a database. >>>>> >>>>> Doesn't make sense to store a 2D tables in a database in my >>>>> opinion because the data have no sense and they are not helpful to anyone. >>>>> >>>>> They can be stored like a text file, but I would not imagine the >>>>> series of errors that can be generated importing these data again. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi there, >>>>>> >>>>>> can tables be stored within wikidata database? I mean simple 2D >>>>>> tables like excel spreadsheets... >>>>>> >>>>>> Jan >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Ilario Valdelli >>>>> Wikimedia CH >>>>> Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens >>>>> Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre >>>>> Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera >>>>> Switzerland - 8008 Zürich >>>>> Wikipedia: Ilario https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ilario >>>>> Facebook: Ilario Valdelli https://www.facebook.com/ivaldelli >>>>> Twitter: Ilario Valdelli https://twitter.com/ilariovaldelli >>>>> Linkedin: Ilario Valdelli >>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=6724469 >>>>> Tel: +41764821371 >>>>> http://www.wikimedia.ch >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Etiamsi omnes, ego non >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >> >> >
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You have to add the data to each corresponding item, for instance: <ŠKODA AUTO a.s> sales <268.5M (CZK)> point in time <2013> <ŠKODA AUTO a.s> sales <262.6M (CZK)> point in time <2012>
The problem is that the information you want to enter requires the unit datatype, so I guess you will have to wait.
There are also some experiments to store data as CSV or JSON http://graphtest.wmflabs.org/wiki/Data:Json:World-110m http://graphtest.wmflabs.org/wiki/Data:Csv:Stocks
And then you can visualize it: http://graphtest.wmflabs.org/wiki/Main_Page
Cheers, Micru
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com wrote:
Can someone show me how to make use of wikidata and save following 2D table in a structured day (properties???) so that it can later be retrieved via queries into a list?
https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seznam_nejv%C4%9Bt%C5%A1%C3%ADch_%C4%8Desk%C3%...
Thanks!
2014-06-16 10:35 GMT+02:00 Joe Filceolaire filceolaire@gmail.com:
Oops.
My mistake. The properties I proposed weren't the ones approved. :(
The property proposals are at
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Event#Sports_League...
joe
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hoi, Do you have a link and an example of a fleshed out use of these properties? Thanks, GerardM
On 15 June 2014 21:49, Joe Filceolaire filceolaire@gmail.com wrote:
Exactly.
If the data in the table cannot be expressed as a set of statements (probably with a qualifier for each column of the table) then why would we include it?
See my recently approved proposals for properties needed for recording sports league tables (and World Cup groups) as statements - listed in this weeks weekly summary.
What advantage would there be for recording these results in a table rather than as statements? If the answer is to ensure consistent formatting then we need to look at templates and tools for entering and editing data, not new datatypes.
Joe
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Yury Katkov katkov.juriy@gmail.com wrote:
Probably the CSV exporters to the wikidata can be a suitable answer to this problem. For example we have the table of all mayors in Rome (there were a lot of them) with their titles and years of begin and end. It shouldn't be very hard to write a convertor that will create the property values of "head of government https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P6" property and populate all these mayors like here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q656#wb-terms
Yury Katkov
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Thomas Douillard < thomas.douillard@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi yan, simple 2d tables are just really an implementation of a set of relations.
For example the tabular datas like an adress book like Name Phone-Number City John 12345 New York Katie 23456 Paris
can totally be implemented in Wikidata with two properties and some conventions :
- A "Phone number" property
- A "living place" property
and conventions that they plly to persons. Some may also requires qualifiers.
But giving that it's always possible to implement "tabular datas" (what are these ?) the Wikidata way, is this a problem that they don't have a specficic treatment ?
2014-06-15 13:43 GMT+02:00 Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com:
I am really disappointed to see simple 2d tables still are not > reality... the issue probably is related to the original PHASE #3... > > > 2014-06-03 23:50 GMT+02:00 Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com: > > Can tabular data be currently saved as a series of statements within >> wikidata? If so, how can I create such a series? Am I able to feed such a >> series into a wikitable on some wiki? >> >> >> 2014-05-30 11:19 GMT+02:00 Joe Filceolaire filceolaire@gmail.com: >> >> Simple tables that are in wikipedia: >>> * league tables with columns for games won, drawn, lost, goals >>> for, goals against, points, rank and rows for each of the teams in the >>> league. >>> * election results with columns for votes for each party and seats >>> won by each party and rows for each region, state etc. >>> * population numbers with columns for each tab (races, religion >>> etc.) and rows for each census district. >>> >>> In all of these cases I suspect that this information might be >>> more useful as a series of statements. These could either be broken up with >>> a statement corresponding to each column on the item for each row or >>> alternatively with all the information in the table on one item, a >>> statement for each row and qualifiers to each statement corresponding to >>> each column. >>> >>> What is the advantage to having this as a table instead? >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Well what I meant was just an ordinary 2-dimensional table (rows >>>> vs. columns)... Excel was just an example to make it clear. >>>> >>>> So I guess simple tables are not any roadmap yet right? >>>> >>>> Further step would be an n-dimensional structures... arrays etc. >>>> >>>> I wouldnt care about format.... CSV, JSON... >>>> >>>> Jan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2014-05-27 14:24 GMT+02:00 David Cuenca dacuetu@gmail.com: >>>> >>>> Please, leave your comments here too: >>>>> >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/How_to_deal_with_open_d... >>>>> >>>>> I've been gathering comments from several people, and in the >>>>> next days I will try to summarize these suggestions to be discussed on irc. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Micru >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Ilario Valdelli < >>>>> valdelli@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I am not an expert of Wikidata but I work a lot in integration >>>>>> of databases with several middlewares or tools. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think that the best way is to ask a solution to store and to >>>>>> download data in a format compatible with datasheets like CSV. >>>>>> >>>>>> Excel is considered also a tool to do some basic analysis, but >>>>>> it can be connected easily to a data source (if well structured). >>>>>> >>>>>> Excel itself is not a good approach to store data, so it's not >>>>>> a good solution to keep the data in excel format in a database. >>>>>> >>>>>> Doesn't make sense to store a 2D tables in a database in my >>>>>> opinion because the data have no sense and they are not helpful to anyone. >>>>>> >>>>>> They can be stored like a text file, but I would not imagine >>>>>> the series of errors that can be generated importing these data again. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Jan Kučera <kozuch82@gmail.com >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi there, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> can tables be stored within wikidata database? I mean simple >>>>>>> 2D tables like excel spreadsheets... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Ilario Valdelli >>>>>> Wikimedia CH >>>>>> Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens >>>>>> Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre >>>>>> Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera >>>>>> Switzerland - 8008 Zürich >>>>>> Wikipedia: Ilario https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ilario >>>>>> Facebook: Ilario Valdelli https://www.facebook.com/ivaldelli >>>>>> Twitter: Ilario Valdelli https://twitter.com/ilariovaldelli >>>>>> Linkedin: Ilario Valdelli >>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=6724469 >>>>>> Tel: +41764821371 >>>>>> http://www.wikimedia.ch >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Etiamsi omnes, ego non >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > >
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Worse. It needs the currency datatype which will not be ready till after the other units. On 22 Aug 2014 14:59, "David Cuenca" dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
You have to add the data to each corresponding item, for instance: <ŠKODA AUTO a.s> sales <268.5M (CZK)> point in time <2013> <ŠKODA AUTO a.s> sales <262.6M (CZK)> point in time <2012>
The problem is that the information you want to enter requires the unit datatype, so I guess you will have to wait.
There are also some experiments to store data as CSV or JSON http://graphtest.wmflabs.org/wiki/Data:Json:World-110m http://graphtest.wmflabs.org/wiki/Data:Csv:Stocks
And then you can visualize it: http://graphtest.wmflabs.org/wiki/Main_Page
Cheers, Micru
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com wrote:
Can someone show me how to make use of wikidata and save following 2D table in a structured day (properties???) so that it can later be retrieved via queries into a list?
https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seznam_nejv%C4%9Bt%C5%A1%C3%ADch_%C4%8Desk%C3%...
Thanks!
2014-06-16 10:35 GMT+02:00 Joe Filceolaire filceolaire@gmail.com:
Oops.
My mistake. The properties I proposed weren't the ones approved. :(
The property proposals are at
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Event#Sports_League...
joe
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hoi, Do you have a link and an example of a fleshed out use of these properties? Thanks, GerardM
On 15 June 2014 21:49, Joe Filceolaire filceolaire@gmail.com wrote:
Exactly.
If the data in the table cannot be expressed as a set of statements (probably with a qualifier for each column of the table) then why would we include it?
See my recently approved proposals for properties needed for recording sports league tables (and World Cup groups) as statements - listed in this weeks weekly summary.
What advantage would there be for recording these results in a table rather than as statements? If the answer is to ensure consistent formatting then we need to look at templates and tools for entering and editing data, not new datatypes.
Joe
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Yury Katkov katkov.juriy@gmail.com wrote:
Probably the CSV exporters to the wikidata can be a suitable answer to this problem. For example we have the table of all mayors in Rome (there were a lot of them) with their titles and years of begin and end. It shouldn't be very hard to write a convertor that will create the property values of "head of government https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P6" property and populate all these mayors like here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q656#wb-terms
Yury Katkov
On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Thomas Douillard < thomas.douillard@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi yan, simple 2d tables are just really an implementation of a set > of relations. > > For example the tabular datas like an adress book like > Name Phone-Number City > John 12345 New York > Katie 23456 Paris > > can totally be implemented in Wikidata with two properties and some > conventions : > * A "Phone number" property > * A "living place" property > and conventions that they plly to persons. Some may also requires > qualifiers. > > But giving that it's always possible to implement "tabular datas" > (what are these ?) the Wikidata way, is this a problem that they don't have > a specficic treatment ? > > > > 2014-06-15 13:43 GMT+02:00 Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com: > > I am really disappointed to see simple 2d tables still are not >> reality... the issue probably is related to the original PHASE #3... >> >> >> 2014-06-03 23:50 GMT+02:00 Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com: >> >> Can tabular data be currently saved as a series of statements >>> within wikidata? If so, how can I create such a series? Am I able to feed >>> such a series into a wikitable on some wiki? >>> >>> >>> 2014-05-30 11:19 GMT+02:00 Joe Filceolaire filceolaire@gmail.com >>> : >>> >>> Simple tables that are in wikipedia: >>>> * league tables with columns for games won, drawn, lost, goals >>>> for, goals against, points, rank and rows for each of the teams in the >>>> league. >>>> * election results with columns for votes for each party and >>>> seats won by each party and rows for each region, state etc. >>>> * population numbers with columns for each tab (races, religion >>>> etc.) and rows for each census district. >>>> >>>> In all of these cases I suspect that this information might be >>>> more useful as a series of statements. These could either be broken up with >>>> a statement corresponding to each column on the item for each row or >>>> alternatively with all the information in the table on one item, a >>>> statement for each row and qualifiers to each statement corresponding to >>>> each column. >>>> >>>> What is the advantage to having this as a table instead? >>>> >>>> Joe >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Jan Kučera kozuch82@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well what I meant was just an ordinary 2-dimensional table (rows >>>>> vs. columns)... Excel was just an example to make it clear. >>>>> >>>>> So I guess simple tables are not any roadmap yet right? >>>>> >>>>> Further step would be an n-dimensional structures... arrays etc. >>>>> >>>>> I wouldnt care about format.... CSV, JSON... >>>>> >>>>> Jan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2014-05-27 14:24 GMT+02:00 David Cuenca dacuetu@gmail.com: >>>>> >>>>> Please, leave your comments here too: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/How_to_deal_with_open_d... >>>>>> >>>>>> I've been gathering comments from several people, and in the >>>>>> next days I will try to summarize these suggestions to be discussed on irc. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Micru >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Ilario Valdelli < >>>>>> valdelli@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I am not an expert of Wikidata but I work a lot in integration >>>>>>> of databases with several middlewares or tools. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think that the best way is to ask a solution to store and to >>>>>>> download data in a format compatible with datasheets like CSV. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Excel is considered also a tool to do some basic analysis, but >>>>>>> it can be connected easily to a data source (if well structured). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Excel itself is not a good approach to store data, so it's not >>>>>>> a good solution to keep the data in excel format in a database. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Doesn't make sense to store a 2D tables in a database in my >>>>>>> opinion because the data have no sense and they are not helpful to anyone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They can be stored like a text file, but I would not imagine >>>>>>> the series of errors that can be generated importing these data again. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Jan Kučera < >>>>>>> kozuch82@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi there, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> can tables be stored within wikidata database? I mean simple >>>>>>>> 2D tables like excel spreadsheets... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Ilario Valdelli >>>>>>> Wikimedia CH >>>>>>> Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens >>>>>>> Association pour l’avancement des connaissances libre >>>>>>> Associazione per il sostegno alla conoscenza libera >>>>>>> Switzerland - 8008 Zürich >>>>>>> Wikipedia: Ilario >>>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ilario >>>>>>> Facebook: Ilario Valdelli https://www.facebook.com/ivaldelli >>>>>>> Twitter: Ilario Valdelli https://twitter.com/ilariovaldelli >>>>>>> Linkedin: Ilario Valdelli >>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=6724469 >>>>>>> Tel: +41764821371 >>>>>>> http://www.wikimedia.ch >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Etiamsi omnes, ego non >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > >
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