Hi yan, simple 2d tables are just really an implementation of a set of relations.

For example the tabular datas like an adress book like
Name  Phone-Number City
John  12345        New York
Katie 23456        Paris

can totally be implemented in Wikidata with two properties and some conventions :
* A "Phone number" property
* A "living place" property
and conventions that they plly to persons. Some may also requires qualifiers.

But giving that it's always possible to implement "tabular datas" (what are these ?) the Wikidata way, is this a problem that they don't have a specficic treatment ?

2014-06-15 13:43 GMT+02:00 Jan Kučera :
I am really disappointed to see simple 2d tables still are not reality... the issue probably is related to the original PHASE #3...

2014-06-03 23:50 GMT+02:00 Jan Kučera :

Can tabular data be currently saved as a series of statements within wikidata? If so, how can I create such a series? Am I able to feed such a series into a wikitable on some wiki?

2014-05-30 11:19 GMT+02:00 Joe Filceolaire :

Simple tables that are in wikipedia:
* league tables with columns for games won, drawn, lost, goals for, goals against, points, rank  and rows for each of the teams in the league.
* election results with columns for votes for each party and seats won by each party and rows for each region, state etc.
* population numbers with columns for each tab (races, religion etc.) and rows for each census district.

In all of these cases I suspect that this information might be more useful as a series of statements. These could either be broken up with a statement corresponding to each column on the item for each row or alternatively with all the information in the table on one item, a statement for each row and qualifiers to each statement corresponding to each column.

Joe

On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Jan Kučera wrote:
Well what I meant was just an ordinary 2-dimensional table (rows vs. columns)... Excel was just an example to make it clear.

So I guess simple tables are not any roadmap yet right?

Further step would be an n-dimensional structures... arrays etc.

I wouldnt care about format.... CSV, JSON...

Jan

2014-05-27 14:24 GMT+02:00 David Cuenca :

I've been gathering comments from several people, and in the next days I will try to summarize these suggestions to be discussed on irc.

Thanks,
Micru

On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Ilario Valdelli wrote:
I am not an expert of Wikidata but I work a lot in integration of databases with several middlewares or tools.

I think that the best way is to ask a solution to store and to download data in a format compatible with datasheets like CSV.

Excel is considered also a tool to do some basic analysis, but it can be connected easily to a data source (if well structured).

Excel itself is not a good approach to store data, so it's not a good solution to keep the data in excel format in a database.

Doesn't make sense to store a 2D tables in a database in my opinion because the data have no sense and they are not helpful to anyone.

They can be stored like a text file, but I would not imagine the series of errors that can be generated importing these data again.

Regards

On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Jan Kučera wrote:
Hi there,

can tables be stored within wikidata database? I mean simple 2D tables like excel spreadsheets...

Jan

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