Dear community,
We are happy to announce version 2 of Recoin, the relative completeness status indicator https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ls1g/Recoin2. Recoin adds a color-coded progress bar to entity pages showing how extensive information about the entity is in comparison with similar entities.
In the new version, Recoin is rolled out to virtually all entities in Wikidata (see e.g. Q173634 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Abbeyroad.png, Q565400 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Maxplanck-institute.png or Q15074414 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kompatscher-red.png ). The core version uses only Wikibase properties, but based on earlier feedback there is also a version specifically for ID properties only.
We think Recoin can be of great help for quickly getting impressions of data quality about entities. We look very much forward to your feedback. Also, if you support making a gadget out of please get in contact with us.
More information can be found on the tools page at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ls1g/Recoin2. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ls1g/Recoin2
Best regards,
Simon Razniewski/Ls1g
Hi Simon,
I installed Recoin and really like the idea of this indicator. I think it's very useful. Unfortunately, I am seeing a real delay in the indicator populating, with a significant delay of the full page browser refresh. Is that something that can be improved?
Best,
- Erika
*Erika Herzog* Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BrillLyle*
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 4:01 AM, Simon Razniewski srazniew@gmail.com wrote:
Dear community,
We are happy to announce version 2 of Recoin, the relative completeness status indicator https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ls1g/Recoin2. Recoin adds a color-coded progress bar to entity pages showing how extensive information about the entity is in comparison with similar entities.
In the new version, Recoin is rolled out to virtually all entities in Wikidata (see e.g. Q173634 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Abbeyroad.png, Q565400 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Maxplanck-institute.png or Q15074414 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kompatscher-red.png ). The core version uses only Wikibase properties, but based on earlier feedback there is also a version specifically for ID properties only.
We think Recoin can be of great help for quickly getting impressions of data quality about entities. We look very much forward to your feedback. Also, if you support making a gadget out of please get in contact with us.
More information can be found on the tools page at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ls1g/Recoin2. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ls1g/Recoin2
Best regards,
Simon Razniewski/Ls1g
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Hi Brill,
Great you like the idea! Regarding speed, unfortunately the current delay is unavoidable when the indicator is based on live data. There appears to be a conflict between being up-to-date (-> live computation) and being fast (-> precomputation), we'll look whether there is a way to have fast, maybe via triggers on changes.
Cheers, Simon
On 6 December 2017 at 23:45, Brill Lyle wp.brilllyle@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Simon,
I installed Recoin and really like the idea of this indicator. I think it's very useful. Unfortunately, I am seeing a real delay in the indicator populating, with a significant delay of the full page browser refresh. Is that something that can be improved?
Best,
- Erika
*Erika Herzog* Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BrillLyle*
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 4:01 AM, Simon Razniewski srazniew@gmail.com wrote:
Dear community,
We are happy to announce version 2 of Recoin, the relative completeness status indicator https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ls1g/Recoin2. Recoin adds a color-coded progress bar to entity pages showing how extensive information about the entity is in comparison with similar entities.
In the new version, Recoin is rolled out to virtually all entities in Wikidata (see e.g. Q173634 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Abbeyroad.png, Q565400 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Maxplanck-institute.png or Q15074414 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kompatscher-red.png ). The core version uses only Wikibase properties, but based on earlier feedback there is also a version specifically for ID properties only.
We think Recoin can be of great help for quickly getting impressions of data quality about entities. We look very much forward to your feedback. Also, if you support making a gadget out of please get in contact with us.
More information can be found on the tools page at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ls1g/Recoin2. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ls1g/Recoin2
Best regards,
Simon Razniewski/Ls1g
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Hi Simon,
That makes total sense given what the indicator is doing.
I think probably at issue here / not helping matters is the significant drag and delay I'm having with editing Wikidata itself. Until I started editing a bit more heavily today I didn't realize just how bad the Wikidata inputting is recently. There's a definite drag. It's periodic and inconsistent but it's definitely there. It might also be my crappy NYC internet but I'm not sure. I just know was making updating items on Wikidata very slow, to a noticeable degree.
Please definitely let me know if there's an update, etc.. It's a great idea and I'm excited and very supportive. I hope that comes through here.
Best,
- Erika
*Erika Herzog* Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BrillLyle*
On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 5:22 AM, Simon Razniewski srazniew@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Brill,
Great you like the idea! Regarding speed, unfortunately the current delay is unavoidable when the indicator is based on live data. There appears to be a conflict between being up-to-date (-> live computation) and being fast (-> precomputation), we'll look whether there is a way to have fast, maybe via triggers on changes.
Cheers, Simon
On 6 December 2017 at 23:45, Brill Lyle wp.brilllyle@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Simon,
I installed Recoin and really like the idea of this indicator. I think it's very useful. Unfortunately, I am seeing a real delay in the indicator populating, with a significant delay of the full page browser refresh. Is that something that can be improved?
Best,
- Erika
*Erika Herzog* Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BrillLyle*
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 4:01 AM, Simon Razniewski srazniew@gmail.com wrote:
Dear community,
We are happy to announce version 2 of Recoin, the relative completeness status indicator https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ls1g/Recoin2. Recoin adds a color-coded progress bar to entity pages showing how extensive information about the entity is in comparison with similar entities.
In the new version, Recoin is rolled out to virtually all entities in Wikidata (see e.g. Q173634 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Abbeyroad.png, Q565400 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Maxplanck-institute.png or Q15074414 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kompatscher-red.png ). The core version uses only Wikibase properties, but based on earlier feedback there is also a version specifically for ID properties only.
We think Recoin can be of great help for quickly getting impressions of data quality about entities. We look very much forward to your feedback. Also, if you support making a gadget out of please get in contact with us.
More information can be found on the tools page at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ls1g/Recoin2. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ls1g/Recoin2
Best regards,
Simon Razniewski/Ls1g
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On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 7:50 PM, Brill Lyle wp.brilllyle@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Simon,
That makes total sense given what the indicator is doing.
I think probably at issue here / not helping matters is the significant drag and delay I'm having with editing Wikidata itself. Until I started editing a bit more heavily today I didn't realize just how bad the Wikidata inputting is recently. There's a definite drag. It's periodic and inconsistent but it's definitely there. It might also be my crappy NYC internet but I'm not sure. I just know was making updating items on Wikidata very slow, to a noticeable degree.
Please definitely let me know if there's an update, etc.. It's a great idea and I'm excited and very supportive. I hope that comes through here.
Yeah something wonky is going on. Investigation is happening here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T182322
Cheers Lydia
I have just reinstalled Recoin2 and it works really well. No delay or lag like before -- apologies that it was unfortunate timing re: Wikidata having issues (that have since been resolved).
Looking forward to using this tool on an ongoing basis. Well done.
Best,
- Erika
*Erika Herzog* Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BrillLyle*
On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Lydia Pintscher < lydia.pintscher@wikimedia.de> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 7:50 PM, Brill Lyle wp.brilllyle@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Simon,
That makes total sense given what the indicator is doing.
I think probably at issue here / not helping matters is the significant
drag
and delay I'm having with editing Wikidata itself. Until I started
editing a
bit more heavily today I didn't realize just how bad the Wikidata
inputting
is recently. There's a definite drag. It's periodic and inconsistent but it's definitely there. It might also be my crappy NYC internet but I'm
not
sure. I just know was making updating items on Wikidata very slow, to a noticeable degree.
Please definitely let me know if there's an update, etc.. It's a great
idea
and I'm excited and very supportive. I hope that comes through here.
Yeah something wonky is going on. Investigation is happening here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T182322
Cheers Lydia
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Hi Simon,
thanks for the tool!
I was wondering: is there any correlation between the number of triples for an entity with the entity's Recoin completeness indicator? I imagine that the correlation is positive. I conducted a little test over the data of Indonesian national heroes (http://tinyurl.com/ybrdjpbt), and found the following observations: - The five entities with the least number of triples all have the worst completeness score "very basic information" - The five entities with the most number of triples have got mixed completeness score: > Sukarno with triple count of 67 got "basic information" > Moh. Hatta with triple count of 41 got "fair amount of information" > Adam Malik with triple count of 39 got "fair amount of information" > Sutan Sjahrir with triple count of 36 got "basic information" > Ernest Douwes Dekker with triple count of 35 got "basic information" - Interestingly, Ismail Marzuki with triple count of 21 got "fair amount of information"
Any thoughts on this?
Reference: Wikidata:WikiProject Jasmerah https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Jasmerah
Best, Fariz
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Simon Razniewski srazniew@gmail.com wrote:
Dear community,
We are happy to announce version 2 of Recoin, the relative completeness status indicator https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ls1g/Recoin2. Recoin adds a color-coded progress bar to entity pages showing how extensive information about the entity is in comparison with similar entities.
In the new version, Recoin is rolled out to virtually all entities in Wikidata (see e.g. Q173634 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Abbeyroad.png, Q565400 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Maxplanck-institute.png or Q15074414 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kompatscher-red.png ). The core version uses only Wikibase properties, but based on earlier feedback there is also a version specifically for ID properties only.
We think Recoin can be of great help for quickly getting impressions of data quality about entities. We look very much forward to your feedback. Also, if you support making a gadget out of please get in contact with us.
More information can be found on the tools page at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ls1g/Recoin2. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ls1g/Recoin2
Best regards,
Simon Razniewski/Ls1g
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Hoi, In my book having this list of the national heroes of Indonesia is already a remarkable achievement. Lists like it are often missing and, at that I am also to blame because I mostly import from the English Wikipedia making the dominance of English cultural interest even more entrenched. At the time I added the statements for Indonesian national heroes. I imported the information from English Wikipedia.
This tool has its attractions but it does entrench cultural dominance even further as it stamps "quality" on items. The items with the most statements are the ones that are most likely to get good grades. Items from Indonesia let alone countries like Cameroon or the Gambia are easily substandard.
I have spend a lot of time adding information about rajas and other Asian nobility in Wikidata. Many if not most of these lists are missing links for entries to the list to Wikipedia articles in any language. What I notice is that slowly but surely they do gain articles, articles not necessarily in English. For me they are the true quality items because they show what we do not really know, what we do not know but what is extremely notable. Thanks, GerardM
On 10 December 2017 at 10:24, Fariz Darari fadirra@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Simon,
thanks for the tool!
I was wondering: is there any correlation between the number of triples for an entity with the entity's Recoin completeness indicator? I imagine that the correlation is positive. I conducted a little test over the data of Indonesian national heroes (http://tinyurl.com/ybrdjpbt), and found the following observations:
- The five entities with the least number of triples all have the worst
completeness score "very basic information"
- The five entities with the most number of triples have got mixed
completeness score: > Sukarno with triple count of 67 got "basic information" > Moh. Hatta with triple count of 41 got "fair amount of information" > Adam Malik with triple count of 39 got "fair amount of information" > Sutan Sjahrir with triple count of 36 got "basic information" > Ernest Douwes Dekker with triple count of 35 got "basic information"
- Interestingly, Ismail Marzuki with triple count of 21 got "fair amount
of information"
Any thoughts on this?
Reference: Wikidata:WikiProject Jasmerah https://www.wikidata. org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Jasmerah
Best, Fariz
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Simon Razniewski srazniew@gmail.com wrote:
Dear community,
We are happy to announce version 2 of Recoin, the relative completeness status indicator https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ls1g/Recoin2. Recoin adds a color-coded progress bar to entity pages showing how extensive information about the entity is in comparison with similar entities.
In the new version, Recoin is rolled out to virtually all entities in Wikidata (see e.g. Q173634 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Abbeyroad.png, Q565400 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Maxplanck-institute.png or Q15074414 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kompatscher-red.png ). The core version uses only Wikibase properties, but based on earlier feedback there is also a version specifically for ID properties only.
We think Recoin can be of great help for quickly getting impressions of data quality about entities. We look very much forward to your feedback. Also, if you support making a gadget out of please get in contact with us.
More information can be found on the tools page at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ls1g/Recoin2. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ls1g/Recoin2
Best regards,
Simon Razniewski/Ls1g
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On 10 December 2017 at 10:41, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
This tool has its attractions but it does entrench cultural dominance even further as it stamps "quality" on items. The items with the most statements are the ones that are most likely to get good grades. Items from Indonesia let alone countries like Cameroon or the Gambia are easily substandard.
As quick reply I would say don't shoot the messenger :-). If Recoin finds that some of the most important Indonesian national heroes are less well documented than some minor league Baseball players then....that is firstly food for thought.
I agree though that labels like "basic information" and red symbols can create an unintended negative perception, but I have no idea how to do it differently (albeit from lowering the thresholds). It could indeed be that many of the red items are already very useful as they are, yet, who could decide this and create necessary annotations? Thus the idea of Recoin is to show a *relative* completeness/informativeness based on how much is known about other, similar entities.
The question is: do you dwell on what is "good" or is it a tool that
helps to improve things?
An expandable list of things to improve should be loaded directly below the page title (unless it is pushed down by other plugins/scripts)?
On 10 December 2017 at 10:24, Fariz Darari fadirra@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering: is there any correlation between the number of triples
for an entity with the entity's Recoin completeness indicator?
Thanks for the interesting analysis! Yes, there should be some positive correlation, yet the way we compute the indicator (look at avg frequency of top 5 missing properties) it is much more important that the frequent properties are there, than that many are there in general. This is not scientifically grounded though (I am not aware of any scientific work discussing how one should compute such indicators), so what we compute is a simple heuristic, and we are glad for any suggestions for different computation.
Cheers, Simon
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Simon Razniewski srazniew@gmail.com wrote:
More information can be found on the tools page at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ls1g/Recoin2. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ls1g/Recoin2
Interesting! At the moment the colored indicator refers to that page, but people who have the Recoin2 indicator know about it already... how about having it link to the list of expected (but missing) properties?
Egon
On 10 December 2017 at 10:51, Egon Willighagen egon.willighagen@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Simon Razniewski srazniew@gmail.com wrote:
More information can be found on the tools page at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ls1g/Recoin2. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ls1g/Recoin2
Interesting! At the moment the colored indicator refers to that page, but people who have the Recoin2 indicator know about it already... how about having it link to the list of expected (but missing) properties?
If there's consensus that that is preferred we could definitely change it.
We have in fact discussed that idea earlier with the WD UX team, the current behaviour, linking to a generic page, is how status indicators on behave on WP, so creates coherence. But linking to the absent properties would indeed also make a lot of sense, unfortunately the two choices are exclusive, so any thoughts on what is better are appreciated!
Cheers, Simon
Hoi, The question is: do you dwell on what is "good" or is it a tool that helps to improve things? Thanks, GerardM
On 10 December 2017 at 11:31, Simon Razniewski srazniew@gmail.com wrote:
On 10 December 2017 at 10:51, Egon Willighagen <egon.willighagen@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Simon Razniewski srazniew@gmail.com wrote:
More information can be found on the tools page at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ls1g/Recoin2. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Ls1g/Recoin2
Interesting! At the moment the colored indicator refers to that page, but people who have the Recoin2 indicator know about it already... how about having it link to the list of expected (but missing) properties?
If there's consensus that that is preferred we could definitely change it.
We have in fact discussed that idea earlier with the WD UX team, the current behaviour, linking to a generic page, is how status indicators on behave on WP, so creates coherence. But linking to the absent properties would indeed also make a lot of sense, unfortunately the two choices are exclusive, so any thoughts on what is better are appreciated!
Cheers, Simon
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