Hi Brill, Great you like the idea! Regarding speed, unfortunately the current delay is unavoidable when the indicator is based on live data. There appears to be a conflict between being up-to-date (-> live computation) and being fast (-> precomputation), we'll look whether there is a way to have fast, maybe via triggers on changes. Cheers, Simon On 6 December 2017 at 23:45, Brill Lyle <wp.brilllyle(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 7:50 PM, Brill Lyle <wp.brilllyle(a)gmail.com> wrote: Yeah something wonky is going on. Investigation is happening here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T182322 Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Product Manager for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/029/42207.

Hoi, In my book having this list of the national heroes of Indonesia is already a remarkable achievement. Lists like it are often missing and, at that I am also to blame because I mostly import from the English Wikipedia making the dominance of English cultural interest even more entrenched. At the time I added the statements for Indonesian national heroes. I imported the information from English Wikipedia. This tool has its attractions but it does entrench cultural dominance even further as it stamps "quality" on items. The items with the most statements are the ones that are most likely to get good grades. Items from Indonesia let alone countries like Cameroon or the Gambia are easily substandard. I have spend a lot of time adding information about rajas and other Asian nobility in Wikidata. Many if not most of these lists are missing links for entries to the list to Wikipedia articles in any language. What I notice is that slowly but surely they do gain articles, articles not necessarily in English. For me they are the true quality items because they show what we do not really know, what we do not know but what is extremely notable. Thanks, GerardM On 10 December 2017 at 10:24, Fariz Darari <fadirra(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On 10 December 2017 at 10:51, Egon Willighagen <egon.willighagen(a)gmail.com> wrote: If there's consensus that that is preferred we could definitely change it. We have in fact discussed that idea earlier with the WD UX team, the current behaviour, linking to a generic page, is how status indicators on behave on WP, so creates coherence. But linking to the absent properties would indeed also make a lot of sense, unfortunately the two choices are exclusive, so any thoughts on what is better are appreciated! Cheers, Simon

On 10 December 2017 at 10:41, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote: As quick reply I would say don't shoot the messenger :-). If Recoin finds that some of the most important Indonesian national heroes are less well documented than some minor league Baseball players then....that is firstly food for thought. I agree though that labels like "basic information" and red symbols can create an unintended negative perception, but I have no idea how to do it differently (albeit from lowering the thresholds). It could indeed be that many of the red items are already very useful as they are, yet, who could decide this and create necessary annotations? Thus the idea of Recoin is to show a *relative* completeness/informativeness based on how much is known about other, similar entities. helps to improve things? An expandable list of things to improve should be loaded directly below the page title (unless it is pushed down by other plugins/scripts)? for an entity with the entity's Recoin completeness indicator? Thanks for the interesting analysis! Yes, there should be some positive correlation, yet the way we compute the indicator (look at avg frequency of top 5 missing properties) it is much more important that the frequent properties are there, than that many are there in general. This is not scientifically grounded though (I am not aware of any scientific work discussing how one should compute such indicators), so what we compute is a simple heuristic, and we are glad for any suggestions for different computation. Cheers, Simon