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Timothy Holborn

9 Jul 2017 9 Jul '17

5:18 a.m.

Hi, I was working on the term 'identity' with respect to internet stuff; and thereafter started looking for an RDF source for an english thesaurus or dictionary; and couldn't find one. I found https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page but it didn't seem to have well-formed RDF output; as to act as an ontological source (rather than simply the use of RDF for SEO). thereafter started writing; this is where i got up to, Project Purpose To generate an RDF compliant dictionary and thesaurus for the purpose of ontological reuse on the web. PROBLEM We use language to develop web-pages that have inferred human considered meaning. Yet, the definition of these terms are not necessarily machine readable. For Example: "identity". When working on 'digital identity' this is often considered to have the meaning of how people log-in to their personal accounts or means in which to interact with their personal data; or that of others. HOWEVER, identity can also mean 'sameness'; which can also be useful for organisations such as website operators to say 'these people have one of my website identities' that is to say, they're all consumers. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/identity This can be further clarified by looking at the different meanings provided to the same word via a thesaurus: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/identity I thereafter looked for a way in which a statement of exactness could be made via RDF; but couldn't find an appropriate RDF dictionary resource. SOLUTION Build an online dictionary and thesaurus that is machine-readable. It makes sense that this may best be done with wiki technology. FEATURES - The project would firstly focus on the lexicography of the english language and related dialects. This is expected to include works in adding latin predicates. - The project would produce a comprehensive thesaurus, including unique identifiers for different uses of the same term (supporting a comprehension of the differentiation in the use of that term). - The project would produce a platform that provided RDF output in a number of serialisations. - Would provide the means for people to add / edit content on the site. PRODUCTION METHOD It is hoped the site can be rapidly populated using scripts to ingest existing information from freely available sources; and to populate the system with information in an RDF compliant format; that may be altered, edited, updated in a ‘wiki’ like fashion. USES For the communication of specific concepts in a manner that may be further clarified by both human and machine observers; as to ensure parties are communicating and/or developing works upon a basis of common understanding of the meaning provided to the language used. I had concerns that the WikiData site seemed to be better orientated towards the concept of schema.org/thing rather than a 'language' or other form of predicate. Please let me know your thoughts? Perhaps i've missed something entirely and this exists already? Perhaps people have been thinking about it elsewhere? perhaps barriers exist, that i'm not aware of... Timothy Holborn.

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Peter Haase

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7:45 a.m.

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On 9. Jul 2017, at 06:18, Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hi, I was working on the term 'identity' with respect to internet stuff; and thereafter started looking for an RDF source for an english thesaurus or dictionary; and couldn't find one. I found https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page> but it didn't seem to have well-formed RDF output; as to act as an ontological source (rather than simply the use of RDF for SEO). thereafter started writing; this is where i got up to, Project Purpose To generate an RDF compliant dictionary and thesaurus for the purpose of ontological reuse on the web. PROBLEM We use language to develop web-pages that have inferred human considered meaning. Yet, the definition of these terms are not necessarily machine readable. For Example: "identity". When working on 'digital identity' this is often considered to have the meaning of how people log-in to their personal accounts or means in which to interact with their personal data; or that of others. HOWEVER, identity can also mean 'sameness'; which can also be useful for organisations such as website operators to say 'these people have one of my website identities' that is to say, they're all consumers. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/identity <http://www.dictionary.com/browse/identity> This can be further clarified by looking at the different meanings provided to the same word via a thesaurus: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/identity <http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/identity> I thereafter looked for a way in which a statement of exactness could be made via RDF; but couldn't find an appropriate RDF dictionary resource. SOLUTION Build an online dictionary and thesaurus that is machine-readable. It makes sense that this may best be done with wiki technology. FEATURES - The project would firstly focus on the lexicography of the english language and related dialects. This is expected to include works in adding latin predicates. - The project would produce a comprehensive thesaurus, including unique identifiers for different uses of the same term (supporting a comprehension of the differentiation in the use of that term). - The project would produce a platform that provided RDF output in a number of serialisations. - Would provide the means for people to add / edit content on the site. PRODUCTION METHOD It is hoped the site can be rapidly populated using scripts to ingest existing information from freely available sources; and to populate the system with information in an RDF compliant format; that may be altered, edited, updated in a ‘wiki’ like fashion. USES For the communication of specific concepts in a manner that may be further clarified by both human and machine observers; as to ensure parties are communicating and/or developing works upon a basis of common understanding of the meaning provided to the language used. I had concerns that the WikiData site seemed to be better orientated towards the concept of schema.org/thing <http://schema.org/thing> rather than a 'language' or other form of predicate. Please let me know your thoughts? Perhaps i've missed something entirely and this exists already? Perhaps people have been thinking about it elsewhere? perhaps barriers exist, that i'm not aware of... Timothy Holborn. _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata

Timothy Holborn

7:53 a.m.

Hi Peter, Awesome. Yes. this is the sort of thing i was looking to leverage. I couldn't find the RDF output for wordnet. FWIW: i find this useful http://osds.openlinksw.com/ Still v.interested to understand how we might further enhance what exists in Wiki style; mind, such a project is too much for me to take-on alone. thank you. i'll put the reference to immediate use ;) Tim. On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 at 16:46 Peter Haase <ph(a)metaphacts.com> wrote:

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Hi Timothy, have you looked at WordNet and its RDF version? http://wordnet.princeton.edu http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu Here is your example “identity”: http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu/wn31/identity-n Cheers, Peter On 9. Jul 2017, at 06:18, Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hi, I was working on the term 'identity' with respect to internet stuff; and thereafter started looking for an RDF source for an english thesaurus or dictionary; and couldn't find one. I found https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page but it didn't seem to have well-formed RDF output; as to act as an ontological source (rather than simply the use of RDF for SEO). thereafter started writing; this is where i got up to, Project Purpose To generate an RDF compliant dictionary and thesaurus for the purpose of ontological reuse on the web. PROBLEM We use language to develop web-pages that have inferred human considered meaning. Yet, the definition of these terms are not necessarily machine readable. For Example: "identity". When working on 'digital identity' this is often considered to have the meaning of how people log-in to their personal accounts or means in which to interact with their personal data; or that of others. HOWEVER, identity can also mean 'sameness'; which can also be useful for organisations such as website operators to say 'these people have one of my website identities' that is to say, they're all consumers. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/identity This can be further clarified by looking at the different meanings provided to the same word via a thesaurus: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/identity I thereafter looked for a way in which a statement of exactness could be made via RDF; but couldn't find an appropriate RDF dictionary resource. SOLUTION Build an online dictionary and thesaurus that is machine-readable. It makes sense that this may best be done with wiki technology. FEATURES - The project would firstly focus on the lexicography of the english language and related dialects. This is expected to include works in adding latin predicates. - The project would produce a comprehensive thesaurus, including unique identifiers for different uses of the same term (supporting a comprehension of the differentiation in the use of that term). - The project would produce a platform that provided RDF output in a number of serialisations. - Would provide the means for people to add / edit content on the site. PRODUCTION METHOD It is hoped the site can be rapidly populated using scripts to ingest existing information from freely available sources; and to populate the system with information in an RDF compliant format; that may be altered, edited, updated in a ‘wiki’ like fashion. USES For the communication of specific concepts in a manner that may be further clarified by both human and machine observers; as to ensure parties are communicating and/or developing works upon a basis of common understanding of the meaning provided to the language used. I had concerns that the WikiData site seemed to be better orientated towards the concept of schema.org/thing rather than a 'language' or other form of predicate. Please let me know your thoughts? Perhaps i've missed something entirely and this exists already? Perhaps people have been thinking about it elsewhere? perhaps barriers exist, that i'm not aware of... Timothy Holborn. _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata

Peter Haase

8 a.m.

Hi Timothy,

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On 9. Jul 2017, at 08:53, Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hi Peter, Awesome. Yes. this is the sort of thing i was looking to leverage. I couldn't find the RDF output for wordnet.

WordNet RDF supports content negotiation: curl -H "Accept: application/n-triples" http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu/wn31/identity-n curl -H "Accept: application/rdf+xml" http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu/wn31/identity-n There is also a download link for the entire data set from http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu to http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu/wn31.nt.gz Cheers, Peter

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FWIW: i find this useful http://osds.openlinksw.com/ Still v.interested to understand how we might further enhance what exists in Wiki style; mind, such a project is too much for me to take-on alone. thank you. i'll put the reference to immediate use ;) Tim. On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 at 16:46 Peter Haase <ph(a)metaphacts.com> wrote: Hi Timothy, have you looked at WordNet and its RDF version? http://wordnet.princeton.edu http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu Here is your example “identity”: http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu/wn31/identity-n Cheers, Peter

On 9. Jul 2017, at 06:18, Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hi, I was working on the term 'identity' with respect to internet stuff; and thereafter started looking for an RDF source for an english thesaurus or dictionary; and couldn't find one. I found https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page but it didn't seem to have well-formed RDF output; as to act as an ontological source (rather than simply the use of RDF for SEO). thereafter started writing; this is where i got up to, Project Purpose To generate an RDF compliant dictionary and thesaurus for the purpose of ontological reuse on the web. PROBLEM We use language to develop web-pages that have inferred human considered meaning. Yet, the definition of these terms are not necessarily machine readable. For Example: "identity". When working on 'digital identity' this is often considered to have the meaning of how people log-in to their personal accounts or means in which to interact with their personal data; or that of others. HOWEVER, identity can also mean 'sameness'; which can also be useful for organisations such as website operators to say 'these people have one of my website identities' that is to say, they're all consumers. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/identity This can be further clarified by looking at the different meanings provided to the same word via a thesaurus: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/identity I thereafter looked for a way in which a statement of exactness could be made via RDF; but couldn't find an appropriate RDF dictionary resource. SOLUTION Build an online dictionary and thesaurus that is machine-readable. It makes sense that this may best be done with wiki technology. FEATURES - The project would firstly focus on the lexicography of the english language and related dialects. This is expected to include works in adding latin predicates. - The project would produce a comprehensive thesaurus, including unique identifiers for different uses of the same term (supporting a comprehension of the differentiation in the use of that term). - The project would produce a platform that provided RDF output in a number of serialisations. - Would provide the means for people to add / edit content on the site. PRODUCTION METHOD It is hoped the site can be rapidly populated using scripts to ingest existing information from freely available sources; and to populate the system with information in an RDF compliant format; that may be altered, edited, updated in a ‘wiki’ like fashion. USES For the communication of specific concepts in a manner that may be further clarified by both human and machine observers; as to ensure parties are communicating and/or developing works upon a basis of common understanding of the meaning provided to the language used. I had concerns that the WikiData site seemed to be better orientated towards the concept of schema.org/thing rather than a 'language' or other form of predicate. Please let me know your thoughts? Perhaps i've missed something entirely and this exists already? Perhaps people have been thinking about it elsewhere? perhaps barriers exist, that i'm not aware of... Timothy Holborn. _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata

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Timothy Holborn

8:17 a.m.

On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 at 17:00 Peter Haase <ph(a)metaphacts.com> wrote:

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Hi Timothy,

On 9. Jul 2017, at 08:53, Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn(a)gmail.com>

wrote:

Hi Peter, Awesome. Yes. this is the sort of thing i was looking to leverage. I

couldn't find the RDF output for wordnet. WordNet RDF supports content negotiation: curl -H "Accept: application/n-triples" http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu/wn31/identity-n curl -H "Accept: application/rdf+xml" http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu/wn31/identity-n There is also a download link for the entire data set from http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu to http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu/wn31.nt.gz Awesome. thanks again...

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Cheers, Peter

FWIW: i find this useful http://osds.openlinksw.com/ Still v.interested to understand how we might further enhance what

exists in Wiki style; mind, such a project is too much for me to take-on alone.

thank you. i'll put the reference to immediate use ;) Tim. On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 at 16:46 Peter Haase <ph(a)metaphacts.com> wrote: Hi Timothy, have you looked at WordNet and its RDF version? http://wordnet.princeton.edu http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu Here is your example “identity”: http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu/wn31/identity-n Cheers, Peter > On 9. Jul 2017, at 06:18, Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn(a)gmail.com>

wrote:

> > Hi, > > I was working on the term 'identity' with respect to internet stuff;

and thereafter started looking for an RDF source for an english thesaurus or dictionary; and couldn't find one. I found https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page but it didn't seem to have well-formed RDF output; as to act as an ontological source (rather than simply the use of RDF for SEO).

> > thereafter started writing; this is where i got up to, > > Project Purpose > To generate an RDF compliant dictionary and thesaurus for the purpose

of ontological reuse on the web.

> > PROBLEM > We use language to develop web-pages that have inferred human

considered meaning. Yet, the definition of these terms are not necessarily machine readable.

> > For Example: "identity". > > When working on 'digital identity' this is often considered to have the

meaning of how people log-in to their personal accounts or means in which to interact with their personal data; or that of others. HOWEVER, identity can also mean 'sameness'; which can also be useful for organisations such as website operators to say 'these people have one of my website identities' that is to say, they're all consumers.

> > http://www.dictionary.com/browse/identity > > This can be further clarified by looking at the different meanings

provided to the same word via a thesaurus: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/identity

> > I thereafter looked for a way in which a statement of exactness could

be made via RDF; but couldn't find an appropriate RDF dictionary resource.

> > SOLUTION > Build an online dictionary and thesaurus that is machine-readable. It

makes sense that this may best be done with wiki technology.

> > FEATURES > - The project would firstly focus on the lexicography of the english

language and related dialects. This is expected to include works in adding latin predicates.

> - The project would produce a comprehensive thesaurus, including unique

identifiers for different uses of the same term (supporting a comprehension of the differentiation in the use of that term).

> - The project would produce a platform that provided RDF output in a

number of serialisations.

> - Would provide the means for people to add / edit content on the site. > > PRODUCTION METHOD > It is hoped the site can be rapidly populated using scripts to ingest

existing information from freely available sources; and to populate the system with information in an RDF compliant format; that may be altered, edited, updated in a ‘wiki’ like fashion.

> > USES > For the communication of specific concepts in a manner that may be

further clarified by both human and machine observers; as to ensure parties are communicating and/or developing works upon a basis of common understanding of the meaning provided to the language used.

> > I had concerns that the WikiData site seemed to be better orientated

towards the concept of schema.org/thing rather than a 'language' or other form of predicate. Please let me know your thoughts? Perhaps i've missed something entirely and this exists already? Perhaps people have been thinking about it elsewhere? perhaps barriers exist, that i'm not aware of...

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Amirouche

9:32 a.m.

Le 09/07/2017 à 08:53, Timothy Holborn a écrit :

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I think that's the purpose of the 'wiktionary in wikidata' project. I started working on importing data from wiktionaries but stopped for some reasons.. Otherwise said, it's not readily available.

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thank you. i'll put the reference to immediate use ;) Tim. On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 at 16:46 Peter Haase <ph(a)metaphacts.com <mailto:ph@metaphacts.com>> wrote: Hi Timothy, have you looked at WordNet and its RDF version? http://wordnet.princeton.edu http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu Here is your example “identity”: http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu/wn31/identity-n Cheers, Peter

On 9. Jul 2017, at 06:18, Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn(a)gmail.com <mailto:timothy.holborn@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi, I was working on the term 'identity' with respect to internet stuff; and thereafter started looking for an RDF source for an english thesaurus or dictionary; and couldn't find one. I found https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page but it didn't seem to have well-formed RDF output; as to act as an ontological source (rather than simply the use of RDF for SEO). thereafter started writing; this is where i got up to, Project Purpose To generate an RDF compliant dictionary and thesaurus for the purpose of ontological reuse on the web. PROBLEM We use language to develop web-pages that have inferred human considered meaning. Yet, the definition of these terms are not necessarily machine readable. For Example: "identity". When working on 'digital identity' this is often considered to have the meaning of how people log-in to their personal accounts or means in which to interact with their personal data; or that of others. HOWEVER, identity can also mean 'sameness'; which can also be useful for organisations such as website operators to say 'these people have one of my website identities' that is to say, they're all consumers. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/identity This can be further clarified by looking at the different meanings provided to the same word via a thesaurus: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/identity I thereafter looked for a way in which a statement of exactness could be made via RDF; but couldn't find an appropriate RDF dictionary resource. SOLUTION Build an online dictionary and thesaurus that is machine-readable. It makes sense that this may best be done with wiki technology. FEATURES - The project would firstly focus on the lexicography of the english language and related dialects. This is expected to include works in adding latin predicates. - The project would produce a comprehensive thesaurus, including unique identifiers for different uses of the same term (supporting a comprehension of the differentiation in the use of that term). - The project would produce a platform that provided RDF output in a number of serialisations. - Would provide the means for people to add / edit content on the site. PRODUCTION METHOD It is hoped the site can be rapidly populated using scripts to ingest existing information from freely available sources; and to populate the system with information in an RDF compliant format; that may be altered, edited, updated in a ‘wiki’ like fashion. USES For the communication of specific concepts in a manner that may be further clarified by both human and machine observers; as to ensure parties are communicating and/or developing works upon a basis of common understanding of the meaning provided to the language used. I had concerns that the WikiData site seemed to be better orientated towards the concept of schema.org/thing <http://schema.org/thing> rather than a 'language' or other form of predicate. Please let me know your thoughts? Perhaps i've missed something entirely and this exists already? Perhaps people have been thinking about it elsewhere? perhaps barriers exist, that i'm not aware of... Timothy Holborn. _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata

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Vladimir Alexiev

2:56 p.m.

There is an rdf representation of wiktionary. Search for "linguistic linked data" and LEMON On Jul 9, 2017 11:31, "Amirouche" <amirouche(a)hypermove.net> wrote:

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Le 09/07/2017 à 08:53, Timothy Holborn a écrit :

I think that's the purpose of the 'wiktionary in wikidata' project. I started working on importing data from wiktionaries but stopped for some reasons.. Otherwise said, it's not readily available.

thank you. i'll put the reference to immediate use ;) Tim. On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 at 16:46 Peter Haase <ph(a)metaphacts.com <mailto: ph(a)metaphacts.com>> wrote: Hi Timothy, have you looked at WordNet and its RDF version? http://wordnet.princeton.edu http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu Here is your example “identity”: http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu/wn31/identity-n Cheers, Peter On 9. Jul 2017, at 06:18, Timothy Holborn

<timothy.holborn(a)gmail.com <mailto:timothy.holborn@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi, I was working on the term 'identity' with respect to internet stuff; and thereafter started looking for an RDF source for an english thesaurus or dictionary; and couldn't find one. I found https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page but it didn't seem to have well-formed RDF output; as to act as an ontological source (rather than simply the use of RDF for SEO). thereafter started writing; this is where i got up to, Project Purpose To generate an RDF compliant dictionary and thesaurus for the purpose of ontological reuse on the web. PROBLEM We use language to develop web-pages that have inferred human considered meaning. Yet, the definition of these terms are not necessarily machine readable. For Example: "identity". When working on 'digital identity' this is often considered to have the meaning of how people log-in to their personal accounts or means in which to interact with their personal data; or that of others. HOWEVER, identity can also mean 'sameness'; which can also be useful for organisations such as website operators to say 'these people have one of my website identities' that is to say, they're all consumers. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/identity This can be further clarified by looking at the different meanings provided to the same word via a thesaurus: http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/identity I thereafter looked for a way in which a statement of exactness could be made via RDF; but couldn't find an appropriate RDF dictionary resource. SOLUTION Build an online dictionary and thesaurus that is machine-readable. It makes sense that this may best be done with wiki technology. FEATURES - The project would firstly focus on the lexicography of the english language and related dialects. This is expected to include works in adding latin predicates. - The project would produce a comprehensive thesaurus, including unique identifiers for different uses of the same term (supporting a comprehension of the differentiation in the use of that term). - The project would produce a platform that provided RDF output in a number of serialisations. - Would provide the means for people to add / edit content on the site. PRODUCTION METHOD It is hoped the site can be rapidly populated using scripts to ingest existing information from freely available sources; and to populate the system with information in an RDF compliant format; that may be altered, edited, updated in a ‘wiki’ like fashion. USES For the communication of specific concepts in a manner that may be further clarified by both human and machine observers; as to ensure parties are communicating and/or developing works upon a basis of common understanding of the meaning provided to the language used. I had concerns that the WikiData site seemed to be better orientated towards the concept of schema.org/thing <http://schema.org/thing> rather than a 'language' or other form of predicate. Please let me know your thoughts? Perhaps i've missed something entirely and this exists already? Perhaps people have been thinking about it elsewhere? perhaps barriers exist, that i'm not aware of... Timothy Holborn. _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata

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Andy Mabbett

3:08 p.m.

On 9 July 2017 at 05:18, Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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I was working on the term 'identity' with respect to internet stuff; and thereafter started looking for an RDF source for an english thesaurus or dictionary; and couldn't find one. I found https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page but it didn't seem to have well-formed RDF output; as to act as an ontological source (rather than simply the use of RDF for SEO).

Timothy Holborn

3:54 p.m.

Couldn't see the "wikidata item" link in wiki dictionary. Nb; I also found http://babelnet.org/sparql/ The thesaurus elements I thought would be particularly useful. Might also add alot of value to the wikidata / schemaorg integration. Tim.h. On Mon., 10 Jul. 2017, 12:09 am Andy Mabbett, <andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:

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On 9 July 2017 at 05:18, Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn(a)gmail.com> wrote:

have well-formed RDF output; as to act as an ontological source (rather

than

simply the use of RDF for SEO).

We're just beginnig to add Wiktionary links and data to Wikidata: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary that ongoing project should sooner or later, probably very soon, meet your need: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:RDF _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata

Thad Guidry

4:23 p.m.

Agree with Andy. Just wait a year and Wikidata should have what you need. On Sun, Jul 9, 2017, 9:55 AM Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 9 July 2017 at 05:18, Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn(a)gmail.com> wrote:

have well-formed RDF output; as to act as an ontological source (rather

than

simply the use of RDF for SEO).

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Timothy Holborn

4:28 p.m.

Thad, Does schemaorg require something that properly denotes Lexicography ? Seems /creativework or /thing isn't really suitable...? Tim.h. On Mon., 10 Jul. 2017, 1:23 am Thad Guidry, <thadguidry(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Agree with Andy. Just wait a year and Wikidata should have what you need. On Sun, Jul 9, 2017, 9:55 AM Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On 9 July 2017 at 05:18, Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn(a)gmail.com> wrote:

I was working on the term 'identity' with respect to internet stuff;

and

thereafter started looking for an RDF source for an english thesaurus

dictionary; and couldn't find one. I found https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page but it didn't

seem to

have well-formed RDF output; as to act as an ontological source

(rather than

simply the use of RDF for SEO).

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Thad Guidry

4:41 p.m.

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Agree with Andy. Just wait a year and Wikidata should have what you need. On Sun, Jul 9, 2017, 9:55 AM Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On 9 July 2017 at 05:18, Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I was working on the term 'identity' with respect to internet stuff; and > thereafter started looking for an RDF source for an english thesaurus or > dictionary; and couldn't find one. I found > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page but it didn't seem to > have well-formed RDF output; as to act as an ontological source (rather than > simply the use of RDF for SEO). We're just beginnig to add Wiktionary links and data to Wikidata: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary that ongoing project should sooner or later, probably very soon, meet your need: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:RDF _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata

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Timothy Holborn

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Schema.org has sameAs and other properties to refer to definitions in any language by pointing to those upcoming lexema URLs on Wikidata. I don't have the project url on my phone but you can search around. There a main phabricator issue to track all the dependencies. Just search on the Wikidata mailing list archives to get more info or subscribe to that list. On Sun, Jul 9, 2017, 10:28 AM Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thad, > > Does schemaorg require something that properly denotes Lexicography ? > > Seems /creativework or /thing isn't really suitable...? > > Tim.h. > > On Mon., 10 Jul. 2017, 1:23 am Thad Guidry, <thadguidry(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Agree with Andy. Just wait a year and Wikidata should have what you >> need. >> >> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017, 9:55 AM Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Couldn't see the "wikidata item" link in wiki dictionary. >>> >>> Nb; I also found http://babelnet.org/sparql/ >>> >>> The thesaurus elements I thought would be particularly useful. >>> >>> Might also add alot of value to the wikidata / schemaorg integration. >>> >>> Tim.h. >>> >>> On Mon., 10 Jul. 2017, 12:09 am Andy Mabbett, < >>> andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote: >>> >>>> On 9 July 2017 at 05:18, Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > I was working on the term 'identity' with respect to internet stuff; >>>> and >>>> > thereafter started looking for an RDF source for an english >>>> thesaurus or >>>> > dictionary; and couldn't find one. I found >>>> > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page but it didn't >>>> seem to >>>> > have well-formed RDF output; as to act as an ontological source >>>> (rather than >>>> > simply the use of RDF for SEO). >>>> >>>> We're just beginnig to add Wiktionary links and data to Wikidata: >>>> >>>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary >>>> >>>> that ongoing project should sooner or later, probably very soon, meet >>>> your need: >>>> >>>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:RDF >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikidata mailing list >>>> Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikidata mailing list >>> Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata mailing list >> Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >> >

Thad Guidry

7:26 p.m.

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SameAs is a property rather than a concept? http://schema.org/sameAs Schema.org/dictionaryTerm seems improper, but better than schema.org/Thing with a property that says sameAs (et.al.)... Ie: the means to explicitly reference the definition of the RDF term. I could use the example of physician ( http://schema.org/Physician ) which is different to the definition someone might be looking for that means "doctor" (which might be somewhere else perhaps?) I hope that helps explain. Seemed having some high level schema.org term to denote the reference refers to a dictionary term with a property that said sameAs wikidata.org/reference, et.al.) would make more sense to bridge the void? Perhaps overkill... The other referenced term was "identity" which is about as dynamic (and important) in its different meanings as agent. Tim.h. On Mon., 10 Jul. 2017, 1:41 am Thad Guidry, <thadguidry(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Schema.org has sameAs and other properties to refer to definitions in any > language by pointing to those upcoming lexema URLs on Wikidata. > > I don't have the project url on my phone but you can search around. There > a main phabricator issue to track all the dependencies. Just search on the > Wikidata mailing list archives to get more info or subscribe to that list. > > On Sun, Jul 9, 2017, 10:28 AM Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Thad, >> >> Does schemaorg require something that properly denotes Lexicography ? >> >> Seems /creativework or /thing isn't really suitable...? >> >> Tim.h. >> >> On Mon., 10 Jul. 2017, 1:23 am Thad Guidry, <thadguidry(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Agree with Andy. Just wait a year and Wikidata should have what you >>> need. >>> >>> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017, 9:55 AM Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Couldn't see the "wikidata item" link in wiki dictionary. >>>> >>>> Nb; I also found http://babelnet.org/sparql/ >>>> >>>> The thesaurus elements I thought would be particularly useful. >>>> >>>> Might also add alot of value to the wikidata / schemaorg integration. >>>> >>>> Tim.h. >>>> >>>> On Mon., 10 Jul. 2017, 12:09 am Andy Mabbett, < >>>> andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 9 July 2017 at 05:18, Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn(a)gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > I was working on the term 'identity' with respect to internet >>>>> stuff; and >>>>> > thereafter started looking for an RDF source for an english >>>>> thesaurus or >>>>> > dictionary; and couldn't find one. I found >>>>> > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page but it didn't >>>>> seem to >>>>> > have well-formed RDF output; as to act as an ontological source >>>>> (rather than >>>>> > simply the use of RDF for SEO). >>>>> >>>>> We're just beginnig to add Wiktionary links and data to Wikidata: >>>>> >>>>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary >>>>> >>>>> that ongoing project should sooner or later, probably very soon, meet >>>>> your need: >>>>> >>>>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:RDF >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikidata mailing list >>>>> Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikidata mailing list >>>> Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikidata mailing list >>> Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >>> >>

Timothy Holborn

7:41 p.m.

Cool. I like to be thorough ( sameAs: http://wordnet-rdf.princeton.edu/wn31/300312303-s ). I'll post a note on the git repo somewhere with some examples when I get to it. Tim.h. On Mon., 10 Jul. 2017, 4:26 am Thad Guidry, <thadguidry(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Tim, You explained what your problem is "We use language to develop web-pages that have inferred human considered meaning. Yet, the definition of these terms are not necessarily machine readable. " I just explained how to solve it. And yes, your overkilling. :) Our http://www.schema.org/sameAs property can be pointed to a dictionary definition on the internet, or any other identity that gives more meaning to a Thing your trying to describe. We of course of http://schema.org/description as well... even http://schema.org/disambiguatingDescription so that you can make your own definitions without even having to use sameAs. -Thad +ThadGuidry <https://www.google.com/+ThadGuidry> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 12:22 PM Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn(a)gmail.com> wrote: > SameAs is a property rather than a concept? > > http://schema.org/sameAs > > Schema.org/dictionaryTerm seems improper, but better than > schema.org/Thing with a property that says sameAs (et.al.)... > > Ie: the means to explicitly reference the definition of the RDF term. > > I could use the example of physician ( http://schema.org/Physician ) > which is different to the definition someone might be looking for that > means "doctor" (which might be somewhere else perhaps?) > > I hope that helps explain. Seemed having some high level schema.org > term to denote the reference refers to a dictionary term with a property > that said sameAs wikidata.org/reference, et.al.) would make more sense > to bridge the void? > > Perhaps overkill... > > The other referenced term was "identity" which is about as dynamic (and > important) in its different meanings as agent. > Tim.h. > > On Mon., 10 Jul. 2017, 1:41 am Thad Guidry, <thadguidry(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Schema.org has sameAs and other properties to refer to definitions in >> any language by pointing to those upcoming lexema URLs on Wikidata. >> >> I don't have the project url on my phone but you can search around. >> There a main phabricator issue to track all the dependencies. Just search >> on the Wikidata mailing list archives to get more info or subscribe to that >> list. >> >> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017, 10:28 AM Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Thad, >>> >>> Does schemaorg require something that properly denotes Lexicography ? >>> >>> Seems /creativework or /thing isn't really suitable...? >>> >>> Tim.h. >>> >>> On Mon., 10 Jul. 2017, 1:23 am Thad Guidry, <thadguidry(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Agree with Andy. Just wait a year and Wikidata should have what you >>>> need. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017, 9:55 AM Timothy Holborn < >>>> timothy.holborn(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Couldn't see the "wikidata item" link in wiki dictionary. >>>>> >>>>> Nb; I also found http://babelnet.org/sparql/ >>>>> >>>>> The thesaurus elements I thought would be particularly useful. >>>>> >>>>> Might also add alot of value to the wikidata / schemaorg integration. >>>>> >>>>> Tim.h. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon., 10 Jul. 2017, 12:09 am Andy Mabbett, < >>>>> andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 9 July 2017 at 05:18, Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn(a)gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> > I was working on the term 'identity' with respect to internet >>>>>> stuff; and >>>>>> > thereafter started looking for an RDF source for an english >>>>>> thesaurus or >>>>>> > dictionary; and couldn't find one. I found >>>>>> > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page but it didn't >>>>>> seem to >>>>>> > have well-formed RDF output; as to act as an ontological source >>>>>> (rather than >>>>>> > simply the use of RDF for SEO). >>>>>> >>>>>> We're just beginnig to add Wiktionary links and data to Wikidata: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary >>>>>> >>>>>> that ongoing project should sooner or later, probably very soon, >>>>>> meet >>>>>> your need: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:RDF >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikidata mailing list >>>>>> Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikidata mailing list >>>>> Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikidata mailing list >>>> Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >>>> >>>

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