Tim,

You explained what your problem is

"We use language to develop web-pages that have inferred human considered meaning. Yet, the definition of these terms are not necessarily machine readable. "

I just explained how to solve it.

And yes, your overkilling. :)

Our http://www.schema.org/sameAs property can be pointed to a dictionary definition on the internet, or any other identity that gives more meaning to a Thing your trying to describe.  We of course of http://schema.org/description as well... even http://schema.org/disambiguatingDescription so that you can make your own definitions without even having to use sameAs.

-Thad

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On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 12:22 PM Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com> wrote:

SameAs is a property rather than a concept?

http://schema.org/sameAs

Schema.org/dictionaryTerm seems improper, but better than schema.org/Thing with a property that says sameAs (et.al.)... 

Ie: the means to explicitly reference the definition of the RDF term.

I could use the example of physician ( http://schema.org/Physician ) which is different to the definition someone might be looking for that means "doctor" (which might be somewhere else perhaps?) 

I hope that helps explain.  Seemed having some high level schema.org term to denote the reference refers to a dictionary term with a property that said sameAs wikidata.org/reference, et.al.) would make more sense to bridge the void? 

Perhaps overkill...  

The other referenced term was "identity" which is about as dynamic (and important) in its different meanings as agent. 

Tim.h.

On Mon., 10 Jul. 2017, 1:41 am Thad Guidry, <thadguidry@gmail.com> wrote:

Schema.org has sameAs and other properties to refer to definitions in any language by pointing to those upcoming lexema URLs on Wikidata.

I don't have the project url on my phone but you can search around. There a main phabricator issue to track all the dependencies. Just search on the Wikidata mailing list archives to get more info or subscribe to that list.

On Sun, Jul 9, 2017, 10:28 AM Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com> wrote:

Thad,

Does schemaorg require something that properly denotes Lexicography ?

Seems /creativework or /thing isn't really suitable...?

Tim.h.

On Mon., 10 Jul. 2017, 1:23 am Thad Guidry, <thadguidry@gmail.com> wrote:

Agree with Andy.  Just wait a year and Wikidata should have what you need.

On Sun, Jul 9, 2017, 9:55 AM Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com> wrote:

Couldn't see the "wikidata item" link in wiki dictionary. 

Nb; I also found http://babelnet.org/sparql/ 

The thesaurus elements I thought would be particularly useful.  

Might also add alot of value to the wikidata / schemaorg integration. 

Tim.h.

On Mon., 10 Jul. 2017, 12:09 am Andy Mabbett, <andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:

On 9 July 2017 at 05:18, Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com> wrote:

> I was working on the term 'identity' with respect to internet stuff; and
> thereafter started looking for an RDF source for an english thesaurus or
> dictionary; and couldn't find one.  I found
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page but it didn't seem to
> have well-formed RDF output; as to act as an ontological source (rather than
> simply the use of RDF for SEO).

We're just beginnig to add Wiktionary links and data to Wikidata:

   https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary

 that ongoing project should sooner or later, probably very soon, meet
your need:

   https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:RDF

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