When viewing Items on Wikidata that I am researching or quickly having to disambiguate, I often end up scrolling down endlessly to see important "notable" properties for People. Some of them we are familiar with such as "award received" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P166 or "notable work" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P800.
For example, Frank Lloyd Wright https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5604
So my 3 Questions ::
1. I'm curious if there is already a preference or tool that would allow those "popular" or "notable" kinds of properties to be shown further up on the Item pages when looking at People and deriving Notability for them?
2. More generally, What or Who controls the listview-item of divs inside div.wikibase-statementgrouplistview ? Perhaps, one way to look at this is that of "notability" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability, and where we can definitely see that some properties lend themselves to that concept of "notability" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability like "award received" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P166 and others not such much like "sex or gender" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P21. For instance, properties that are an instance of "Wikidata property related to awards, prizes and honours" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q56150830
3. How do others collect the "notable" properties floating around Wikidata?
Are you looking for https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Wikibase-SortedProperties ?
On 19-11-19 22:15, Thad Guidry wrote:
When viewing Items on Wikidata that I am researching or quickly having to disambiguate, I often end up scrolling down endlessly to see important "notable" properties for People. Some of them we are familiar with such as "award received" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P166 or "notable work" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P800.
For example, Frank Lloyd Wright https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5604
So my 3 Questions ::
- I'm curious if there is already a preference or tool that would
allow those "popular" or "notable" kinds of properties to be shown further up on the Item pages when looking at People and deriving Notability for them?
- More generally, What or Who controls the listview-item of divs
inside div.wikibase-statementgrouplistview ? Perhaps, one way to look at this is that of "notability" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability, and where we can definitely see that some properties lend themselves to that concept of "notability" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability like "award received" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P166 and others not such much like "sex or gender" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P21. For instance, properties that are an instance of "Wikidata property related to awards, prizes and honours" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q56150830
- How do others collect the "notable" properties floating around
Wikidata?
Thad https://www.linkedin.com/in/thadguidry/
Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
No Maarten, but thanks.
I'm specifically asking about "properties that lend themselves to typical notability about People and Organizations" and not All Properties. I imagine that we don't have a higher level categorization of "Wikidata notable property about People or Organizations" but we probably could create one, if there's no other way to deduce the information otherwise.
I'll await from others on the list that know a bit about the challenges and what I am looking for (it has been discussed over the ages on certain Talk pages).
Thad https://www.linkedin.com/in/thadguidry/
On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 4:26 PM Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl wrote:
Are you looking for https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Wikibase-SortedProperties ? On 19-11-19 22:15, Thad Guidry wrote:
When viewing Items on Wikidata that I am researching or quickly having to disambiguate, I often end up scrolling down endlessly to see important "notable" properties for People. Some of them we are familiar with such as "award received" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P166 or "notable work" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P800.
For example, Frank Lloyd Wright https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5604
So my 3 Questions ::
- I'm curious if there is already a preference or tool that would allow
those "popular" or "notable" kinds of properties to be shown further up on the Item pages when looking at People and deriving Notability for them?
- More generally, What or Who controls the listview-item of divs inside
div.wikibase-statementgrouplistview ? Perhaps, one way to look at this is that of "notability" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability, and where we can definitely see that some properties lend themselves to that concept of "notability" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability like "award received" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P166 and others not such much like "sex or gender" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P21. For instance, properties that are an instance of "Wikidata property related to awards, prizes and honours" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q56150830
- How do others collect the "notable" properties floating around Wikidata?
Thad https://www.linkedin.com/in/thadguidry/
Wikidata mailing listWikidata@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
Hoi, There are two ways I use for disambiguation.. The first is Reasonator, the second is that search the way I have it shows a constructed description. When I have added statements for an item, it shows with a refresh enabling disambiguation even further. Thanks, GerardM
On Wed, 20 Nov 2019 at 03:17, Thad Guidry thadguidry@gmail.com wrote:
No Maarten, but thanks.
I'm specifically asking about "properties that lend themselves to typical notability about People and Organizations" and not All Properties. I imagine that we don't have a higher level categorization of "Wikidata notable property about People or Organizations" but we probably could create one, if there's no other way to deduce the information otherwise.
I'll await from others on the list that know a bit about the challenges and what I am looking for (it has been discussed over the ages on certain Talk pages).
Thad https://www.linkedin.com/in/thadguidry/
On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 4:26 PM Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl wrote:
Are you looking for https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Wikibase-SortedProperties ? On 19-11-19 22:15, Thad Guidry wrote:
When viewing Items on Wikidata that I am researching or quickly having to disambiguate, I often end up scrolling down endlessly to see important "notable" properties for People. Some of them we are familiar with such as "award received" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P166 or "notable work" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P800.
For example, Frank Lloyd Wright https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q5604
So my 3 Questions ::
- I'm curious if there is already a preference or tool that would allow
those "popular" or "notable" kinds of properties to be shown further up on the Item pages when looking at People and deriving Notability for them?
- More generally, What or Who controls the listview-item of divs inside
div.wikibase-statementgrouplistview ? Perhaps, one way to look at this is that of "notability" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability, and where we can definitely see that some properties lend themselves to that concept of "notability" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability like "award received" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P166 and others not such much like "sex or gender" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P21. For instance, properties that are an instance of "Wikidata property related to awards, prizes and honours" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q56150830
- How do others collect the "notable" properties floating around
Wikidata?
Thad https://www.linkedin.com/in/thadguidry/
Wikidata mailing listWikidata@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
Wikidata mailing list Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
Thad Guidry, 19/11/19 23:15:
Some of them we are familiar with such as "award received" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P166 or "notable work" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P800.
It seems that first of all you should create a super-class of https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q56150830 so that such properties can be listed, otherwise how could any software tell them apart?
Federico
Exactly my point Frederico!
Does that superclass exist already? or being planned upon to help with "notability" discovery?
Thad https://www.linkedin.com/in/thadguidry/
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:35 AM Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Thad Guidry, 19/11/19 23:15:
Some of them we are familiar with such as "award received" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P166 or "notable work" https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P800.
It seems that first of all you should create a super-class of https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q56150830 so that such properties can be listed, otherwise how could any software tell them apart?
Federico
I think the number of sitelinks is a better mesure of notability than any property, especially if we consider people that lived before the 20th Century.
For some examples, I checked quicly and Julius Caesar has neither "award received" nor "notable work". Joan of Arc has one "award received" but no "notable work", and the reverse is true for Muhammad. Leonardo da Vinci has a lot of notable works, but no award.
Best, Sylvain / Ash_