hi,
we are currently experimenting to have, after zb zürich earlier the year[1], a second museum from switzerland uploading full quality images (i.e. tif format)[2]. i was wondering what is the most "wikidata compatible" way of adding a creator information to an image like this one: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Soleure_Aa_0012.tif
the painter winterlin is in the category, has a template including personal information, just like the wikipedia article, and the wikidata entry.
rupert.
[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Zentralbibliothek_Z%C3%BCrich [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Zentralbibliothek_Solothurn
It is a bit early for that question right now.
In the long run we plan to have metadata about Commons media file (current state of the discussion is here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikidata_for_media_info ) - but this is planned for 2014.
For now, the Creator template in Commons can not be replaced with Wikidata. There is no way to integrate data from Wikidata in an arbitrary Commons page (which is what you would need in order to replace the Creator template). We have a Bug for ( this https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47930 ) and aim for this in this fall / early winter to be completed.
My assumption would be to, for the long term, create the Creators as items in Wikidata (if they do not exist) and add data to them. But this will not yield any short-term visible results, which is frustrating. So you might want to have a double strategy: add them to Wikidata and add them in the creator namespace, just as you have done so far.
Does anyone have another opinion on this?
Sorry for not having better news right now, Denny
2013/9/21 rupert THURNER rupert.thurner@gmail.com
hi,
we are currently experimenting to have, after zb zürich earlier the year[1], a second museum from switzerland uploading full quality images (i.e. tif format)[2]. i was wondering what is the most "wikidata compatible" way of adding a creator information to an image like this one: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Soleure_Aa_0012.tif
the painter winterlin is in the category, has a template including personal information, just like the wikipedia article, and the wikidata entry.
rupert.
[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Zentralbibliothek_Z%C3%BCrich [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Zentralbibliothek_Solothurn
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Hello Denny,
I think we in Europeana had the same problem in the GLAMwiki toolset project [1]. We wanted to submit the metadata we had for Europeana objects to be uploaded in Commons, but that was not fully possible... So we'd have to think of an alternative. Do you think it could happen via Wikidata?
Best,
Antoine
[1]
It is a bit early for that question right now.
In the long run we plan to have metadata about Commons media file (current state of the discussion is here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikidata_for_media_info ) - but this is planned for 2014.
For now, the Creator template in Commons can not be replaced with Wikidata. There is no way to integrate data from Wikidata in an arbitrary Commons page (which is what you would need in order to replace the Creator template). We have a Bug for ( this https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47930 ) and aim for this in this fall / early winter to be completed.
My assumption would be to, for the long term, create the Creators as items in Wikidata (if they do not exist) and add data to them. But this will not yield any short-term visible results, which is frustrating. So you might want to have a double strategy: add them to Wikidata and add them in the creator namespace, just as you have done so far.
Does anyone have another opinion on this?
Sorry for not having better news right now, Denny
2013/9/21 rupert THURNER <rupert.thurner@gmail.com mailto:rupert.thurner@gmail.com>
hi, we are currently experimenting to have, after zb zürich earlier the year[1], a second museum from switzerland uploading full quality images (i.e. tif format)[2]. i was wondering what is the most "wikidata compatible" way of adding a creator information to an image like this one: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Soleure_Aa_0012.tif the painter winterlin is in the category, has a template including personal information, just like the wikipedia article, and the wikidata entry. rupert. [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Zentralbibliothek_Z%C3%BCrich [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Zentralbibliothek_Solothurn _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l-- Project director Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin Tel. +49-30-219 158 26-0 | http://wikimedia.de
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Sorry forgot to paste the link: [1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:GLAMToolset_project
Hello Denny,
I think we in Europeana had the same problem in the GLAMwiki toolset project [1]. We wanted to submit the metadata we had for Europeana objects to be uploaded in Commons, but that was not fully possible... So we'd have to think of an alternative. Do you think it could happen via Wikidata?
Best,
Antoine
[1]
It is a bit early for that question right now.
In the long run we plan to have metadata about Commons media file (current state of the discussion is here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikidata_for_media_info ) - but this is planned for 2014.
For now, the Creator template in Commons can not be replaced with Wikidata. There is no way to integrate data from Wikidata in an arbitrary Commons page (which is what you would need in order to replace the Creator template). We have a Bug for ( this https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47930 ) and aim for this in this fall / early winter to be completed.
My assumption would be to, for the long term, create the Creators as items in Wikidata (if they do not exist) and add data to them. But this will not yield any short-term visible results, which is frustrating. So you might want to have a double strategy: add them to Wikidata and add them in the creator namespace, just as you have done so far.
Does anyone have another opinion on this?
Sorry for not having better news right now, Denny
2013/9/21 rupert THURNER <rupert.thurner@gmail.com mailto:rupert.thurner@gmail.com>
hi, we are currently experimenting to have, after zb zürich earlier the year[1], a second museum from switzerland uploading full quality images (i.e. tif format)[2]. i was wondering what is the most "wikidata compatible" way of adding a creator information to an image like this one: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Soleure_Aa_0012.tif the painter winterlin is in the category, has a template including personal information, just like the wikipedia article, and the wikidata entry. rupert. [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Zentralbibliothek_Z%C3%BCrich [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Zentralbibliothek_Solothurn _______________________________________________ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l-- Project director Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin Tel. +49-30-219 158 26-0 | http://wikimedia.de
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On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Antoine Isaac aisaac@few.vu.nl wrote:
Hello Denny,
I think we in Europeana had the same problem in the GLAMwiki toolset project [1]. We wanted to submit the metadata we had for Europeana objects to be uploaded in Commons, but that was not fully possible... So we'd have to think of an alternative. Do you think it could happen via Wikidata?
Hey Antoine :)
Without knowing what the issues where it is impossible to say if this can/should be done via Wikidata to be honest.
Cheers Lydia
Am 25.09.2013 14:06, schrieb Lydia Pintscher:
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Antoine Isaac aisaac@few.vu.nl wrote:
Hello Denny,
I think we in Europeana had the same problem in the GLAMwiki toolset project [1]. We wanted to submit the metadata we had for Europeana objects to be uploaded in Commons, but that was not fully possible... So we'd have to think of an alternative. Do you think it could happen via Wikidata?
Hey Antoine :)
Without knowing what the issues where it is impossible to say if this can/should be done via Wikidata to be honest.
Very roughly: it makes sense to have data about creators, institutions, (famous) works of art, places and events on Wikidata. These could be used to describe media files. However, information about individual files should not be on Wikidata but on commons - for now, using templates, later, using structured data.
-- daniel
On 9/25/13 2:06 PM, Lydia Pintscher wrote:
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Antoine Isaac aisaac@few.vu.nl wrote:
Hello Denny,
I think we in Europeana had the same problem in the GLAMwiki toolset project [1]. We wanted to submit the metadata we had for Europeana objects to be uploaded in Commons, but that was not fully possible... So we'd have to think of an alternative. Do you think it could happen via Wikidata?
Hey Antoine :)
Without knowing what the issues where it is impossible to say if this can/should be done via Wikidata to be honest.
Hi Lydia (and congrats!!)
I don't remember the specifics of the Commons issue, I was not really in it (I cc my colleague David Haskiya to correct me if I'm writing too much crap). But basically I think it was because the templates were not much open for additions of data fields.
Which might be related to the issue Daniel mentioned also in [1]: that data about artworks, creators etc fit well on Wikidata but data about digital files fit better on Commons. In the GLAMWiki project now, somehow everything has to be packed together in the existing Commons template.
Now, if there are alternatives that allow us (or more precisely, whoever decides to upload an object mediated by Europeana into Commons) to send more complete descriptive data in Wikidata that somehow ends up being connected to the media data in Commons, that would be good.
I'm not really into this--I assume that you guys are much closer to the thing ;-)
Meanwhile, David and I have seen that you have work in progress in task forces on art works [2,3]. If we find the time Europeana could try to contribute to this. It can ensure we can feed more data into Commons, when the time has come.
But: we are really tight on resources this day, and it's quite unclear, what the timing is, for the discussion in this task force!
Cheers,
Antoine
[1] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikidata-l/2013-September/002915.html [2] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Artworks_task_force [3] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_of_properties/Works
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Antoine Isaac aisaac@few.vu.nl wrote:
Hi Lydia (and congrats!!)
Thanks!
I don't remember the specifics of the Commons issue, I was not really in it (I cc my colleague David Haskiya to correct me if I'm writing too much crap). But basically I think it was because the templates were not much open for additions of data fields.
Which might be related to the issue Daniel mentioned also in [1]: that data about artworks, creators etc fit well on Wikidata but data about digital files fit better on Commons. In the GLAMWiki project now, somehow everything has to be packed together in the existing Commons template.
Ok I fear this needs someone to help you then who has more knowledge about Commons. There are a few people on this list who can probably chime in.
Now, if there are alternatives that allow us (or more precisely, whoever decides to upload an object mediated by Europeana into Commons) to send more complete descriptive data in Wikidata that somehow ends up being connected to the media data in Commons, that would be good.
I'm not really into this--I assume that you guys are much closer to the thing ;-)
Meanwhile, David and I have seen that you have work in progress in task forces on art works [2,3]. If we find the time Europeana could try to contribute to this. It can ensure we can feed more data into Commons, when the time has come.
I would indeed start on the discussion page there. The people there are interested in the topic and knowledgeable about Wikidata. Go for it!
But: we are really tight on resources this day, and it's quite unclear, what the timing is, for the discussion in this task force!
Activity really varies between the task forces. I don't know how it is with this one unfortunately.
Cheers Lydia
Thanks for the advice, Lydia, we'll see what we can do. Meanwhile, info about the task force timing will be welcome. Or at least a notice, when it's about to close...
Cheers,
Antoine
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Antoine Isaac aisaac@few.vu.nl wrote:
Hi Lydia (and congrats!!)
Thanks!
I don't remember the specifics of the Commons issue, I was not really in it (I cc my colleague David Haskiya to correct me if I'm writing too much crap). But basically I think it was because the templates were not much open for additions of data fields.
Which might be related to the issue Daniel mentioned also in [1]: that data about artworks, creators etc fit well on Wikidata but data about digital files fit better on Commons. In the GLAMWiki project now, somehow everything has to be packed together in the existing Commons template.
Ok I fear this needs someone to help you then who has more knowledge about Commons. There are a few people on this list who can probably chime in.
Now, if there are alternatives that allow us (or more precisely, whoever decides to upload an object mediated by Europeana into Commons) to send more complete descriptive data in Wikidata that somehow ends up being connected to the media data in Commons, that would be good.
I'm not really into this--I assume that you guys are much closer to the thing ;-)
Meanwhile, David and I have seen that you have work in progress in task forces on art works [2,3]. If we find the time Europeana could try to contribute to this. It can ensure we can feed more data into Commons, when the time has come.
I would indeed start on the discussion page there. The people there are interested in the topic and knowledgeable about Wikidata. Go for it!
But: we are really tight on resources this day, and it's quite unclear, what the timing is, for the discussion in this task force!
Activity really varies between the task forces. I don't know how it is with this one unfortunately.
Cheers Lydia
This is completely up to the community, whether they want this data and the necessary structures for it. It really depends on the scope of the dataset. But here it is the same: there is no way to use this data in short-term for the metadata in Commons. This will be possible in a few months, if you are willing to wait this long.
Best way is probably to describe the dataset (in scope, i.e. what it covers, and depth, i.e. what it says about the covered items) on Wikidata or here, and see if there are opinions about adding this data.
Cheers, Denny
2013/9/25 Antoine Isaac aisaac@few.vu.nl
Hello Denny,
I think we in Europeana had the same problem in the GLAMwiki toolset project [1]. We wanted to submit the metadata we had for Europeana objects to be uploaded in Commons, but that was not fully possible... So we'd have to think of an alternative. Do you think it could happen via Wikidata?
Best,
Antoine
[1]
It is a bit early for that question right now.
In the long run we plan to have metadata about Commons media file (current state of the discussion is here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/* *wiki/Commons:Wikidata_for_**media_infohttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikidata_for_media_info) - but this is planned for 2014.
For now, the Creator template in Commons can not be replaced with Wikidata. There is no way to integrate data from Wikidata in an arbitrary Commons page (which is what you would need in order to replace the Creator template). We have a Bug for ( this https://bugzilla.wikimedia.** org/show_bug.cgi?id=47930https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47930) and aim for this in this fall / early winter to be completed.
My assumption would be to, for the long term, create the Creators as items in Wikidata (if they do not exist) and add data to them. But this will not yield any short-term visible results, which is frustrating. So you might want to have a double strategy: add them to Wikidata and add them in the creator namespace, just as you have done so far.
Does anyone have another opinion on this?
Sorry for not having better news right now, Denny
2013/9/21 rupert THURNER <rupert.thurner@gmail.com <mailto: rupert.thurner@gmail.**com rupert.thurner@gmail.com>>
hi, we are currently experimenting to have, after zb zürich earlier the year[1], a second museum from switzerland uploading full quality images (i.e. tif format)[2]. i was wondering what is the most "wikidata compatible" way of adding a creator information to an image like this one: https://commons.wikimedia.org/**wiki/File:Soleure_Aa_0012.tif<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Soleure_Aa_0012.tif> the painter winterlin is in the category, has a template including personal information, just like the wikipedia article, and the wikidata entry. rupert. [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Commons:**Zentralbibliothek_Z%C3%BCrichhttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Zentralbibliothek_Z%C3%BCrich [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Commons:** Zentralbibliothek_Solothurnhttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Zentralbibliothek_Solothurn
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2013/9/25 Antoine Isaac aisaac@few.vu.nl:
Hello Denny,
I think we in Europeana had the same problem in the GLAMwiki toolset project [1]. We wanted to submit the metadata we had for Europeana objects to be uploaded in Commons, but that was not fully possible... So we'd have to think of an alternative. Do you think it could happen via Wikidata?
Best,
Antoine
Dear Antoine,
I'm a Wikidata admin but also I'm involved with yet another Europeana project, called EAGLE.[1] Antoine should probably know it.
We're setting up a wiki on our own running a Wikibase extension, and we're currently uploading (well, trying to upload) all the data there, since in the future those data should be incorporated in Commons too.
I don't know if this is a feasible way for you. In a way, we're waiting too for the Commons repository to be working to be sure this is the way.
[1] http://www.eagle-network.eu/