Hi folks,
I made some effort to draft Wikidata in Hungarian Wikipedia. Although it is not quite up-to-date, but is a useful overview for Hungarian language community. As far as I remember, this was the first national language article on Wikidata except German, preceeding the current system. I created a soft redirect to it on Meta which was eradicated by Fuzzybot ( http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata%2Fhu&diff=3728047&a...) and now I cannot edit it at all. I don't want to translate that whole stuff from week to week again, and seemingly nobody else does it, but could we get back the link to huwiki please? I think a long English text that is identical to the English version and very-very up-to-date and meanwhile states that it *is* the Hungarian version is much less useful for Hungarian speakers than a link to the Hungarian article that backlinks to the original one for those who want to read the current version in English.
This solution is very uniform and easy to handle by bot and very aggressive -- whoever made it had no regard on previous content and I am really disappointed to face this. So what is the way to have at least a sentence on top of this nice text that leads to the useful version and will not be ruined by the bot again and again?
On 30 May 2012 02:13, Bináris wikiposta@gmail.com wrote:
Hi folks,
I made some effort to draft Wikidata in Hungarian Wikipedia. Although it is not quite up-to-date, but is a useful overview for Hungarian language community. As far as I remember, this was the first national language article on Wikidata except German, preceeding the current system. I created a soft redirect to it on Meta which was eradicated by Fuzzybot ( http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata%2Fhu&diff=3728047&a...) and now I cannot edit it at all. I don't want to translate that whole stuff from week to week again, and seemingly nobody else does it, but could we get back the link to huwiki please? I think a long English text that is identical to the English version and very-very up-to-date and meanwhile states that it *is* the Hungarian version is much less useful for Hungarian speakers than a link to the Hungarian article that backlinks to the original one for those who want to read the current version in English.
This solution is very uniform and easy to handle by bot and very aggressive -- whoever made it had no regard on previous content and I am really disappointed to face this. So what is the way to have at least a sentence on top of this nice text that leads to the useful version and will not be ruined by the bot again and again?
-- Bináris
Hi! I've done a very dirty hack on the page to get the interwiki redirect back, although I agree it looks horrible and there's no adequate solution for it at the moment. I couldn't just create empty paragraphs so I had to put <!-- comment -->. Unfortunately if the page is updated and marked for translation again then this will revert - this needs discussion with the Localisation team.
2012/5/30 Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonewiki@gmail.com
Hi! I've done a very dirty hack on the page to get the interwiki redirect back, although I agree it looks horrible and there's no adequate solution for it at the moment. I couldn't just create empty paragraphs so I had to put <!-- comment -->. Unfortunately if the page is updated and marked for translation again then this will revert - this needs discussion with the Localisation team.
Yes, that's what I don't want to accept. :-( Thanks anyway! I will perhaps set a contrabot to revert destructions by Fuzzybot. :-)
Bináris
I created a soft redirect to it on Meta which was eradicated by Fuzzybot
(...)
Thehelpfulone
Hi! I've done a very dirty hack on the page to get the interwiki
redirect (...)
Bináris
Yes, that's what I don't want to accept. :-( Thanks anyway! (...)
Bináris, I would like to advice you against a translation solution based in a soft redirect to a Wikipedia page. That way, you lose the advantages of using the translation tool on Meta, you break the uniformity used by the rest of languages, you are more exposed to that Wikipedia page becoming outdated, and you complicate things a lot for the rest of the Wikimedia projects in Hungarian, as they can feel that information isn't suitable for them when actually it is, or even that they've been excluded. It's just my personal opinion, of course, by I'm really convinced that it's a bad idea in the long term.
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