Hi everyone,
When entering labels in WikiData, any world language should be allowed.
Technical language/script/variety marking for internet ressources is currently defined in the IANA language subtag registry.
Thus the above suggestion boils down to mark language selections for labels by a valid code as per the IANA language subtag registry, and allow each tag to be used (referred to) by editors entering labels.
I created bug 71664 so as to overcome the current limitation.
Purodha
References: * http://www.iana.org/assignments/language-subtag-registry/language-subtag-reg... - IANA language subtag registry ** http://rishida.net/utils/subtags/ - Interactive query of the IANA language subtag registry * http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/bcp/bcp47.txt - BCP 47 = Best Current Practice - Tags for Identifying Language * http://www.w3.org/International/articles/language-tags/ - Language tags in HTML and XML (by the W3C) * https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71664
Hoi, Any ISO 639-3 language is admissible. HOWEVER, it only makes sense to add languages when there is a use case. When someone is interested in adding content in a particular language, the language committee is happy to allow for this. There is one proviso; when it becomes clear that content in a specific language is not representative of that language all the content will be removed.. Thanks, GerardM
On 5 October 2014 15:03, P. Blissenbach publi@web.de wrote:
Hi everyone,
When entering labels in WikiData, any world language should be allowed.
Technical language/script/variety marking for internet ressources is currently defined in the IANA language subtag registry.
Thus the above suggestion boils down to mark language selections for labels by a valid code as per the IANA language subtag registry, and allow each tag to be used (referred to) by editors entering labels.
I created bug 71664 so as to overcome the current limitation.
Purodha
References:
http://www.iana.org/assignments/language-subtag-registry/language-subtag-reg...
- IANA language subtag registry
** http://rishida.net/utils/subtags/ - Interactive query of the IANA language subtag registry
- http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/bcp/bcp47.txt - BCP 47 = Best Current
Practice - Tags for Identifying Language
- http://www.w3.org/International/articles/language-tags/ - Language tags
in HTML and XML (by the W3C)
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Hoi Gerard,
I believe, there is a misconception there. "It only makes sense to add a language when there is a use case" comes with the presuppositions that a language needs to be added, and that it might be added without a use case.
My suggestion is that a language would not be used without a use case. So unless someone enters a label in a language, that language is virtualy not there (in WikiData) even though it might exist in the IANA registry of language subtags and thus in ISO 639 and thus was acceptable to WikiData.
My other suggestion is that a language is "added" automatically when it exists in the IANA registry and when someone enters label data for it. I doubt it makes sense to bother anyone including the Language Committee with a request to "add" a language that undoubtedly exists anyways and thus shall be added anyways. After all, we have some 8888+ language/script/varieties left in the IANA registry that we do neither support nor allow to be used in WikiData at the moment.
Of course, you can view requests and permission as a matter to exercise some control about what is happening, but whould it scale?
Background info: Since I am capable to add (some) labels in half a dozen more languages than I currently routinely do, and WikiData would not let me (producing some sort of errors when I tried), I left almost half a dozen hints, error reports etc. already over time at various places. There was no remedy visible to me. My current suggestion is an outcome of my corresponding question to the developers of Wikidata present at the WikiCom 2014 in Cologne, and the hints and suggestions I got.
In addition to the above, I have a growing collection of dictionary data files of various languages waiting to be uploaded semiautomatically if I could.
Purodha
"Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com writes:
Hoi, Any ISO 639-3 language is admissible. HOWEVER, it only makes sense to add languages when there is a use case. When someone is interested in adding content in a particular language, the language committee is happy to allow for this. There is one proviso; when it becomes clear that content in a specific language is not representative of that language all the content will be removed.. Thanks, GerardM On 5 October 2014 15:03, P. Blissenbach publi@web.de wrote:Hi everyone,
When entering labels in WikiData, any world language should be allowed.
Technical language/script/variety marking for internet ressources is currently defined in the IANA language subtag registry.
Thus the above suggestion boils down to mark language selections for labels by a valid code as per the IANA language subtag registry, and allow each tag to be used (referred to) by editors entering labels.
I created bug 71664 so as to overcome the current limitation.
Purodha
References: * http://www.iana.org/assignments/language-subtag-registry/language-subtag-reg...] - IANA language subtag registry ** http://rishida.net/utils/subtags/%5Bhttp://rishida.net/utils/subtags/] - Interactive query of the IANA language subtag registry * http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/bcp/bcp47.txt%5Bhttp://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/...] - BCP 47 = Best Current Practice - Tags for Identifying Language * http://www.w3.org/International/articles/language-tags/%5Bhttp://www.w3.org/...] - Language tags in HTML and XML (by the W3C) * https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71664%5Bhttps://bugzilla.wiki...]
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Hoi, The short answer is no, this is not the way we go. When you want specific languages added that have an ISO-639-3 code you can request it. In principle the language committee is in favour however, it is done automatically. Wikidata is not a stamp collection. Thanks, GerardM
On 6 October 2014 01:20, P. Blissenbach publi@web.de wrote:
Hoi Gerard,
I believe, there is a misconception there. "It only makes sense to add a language when there is a use case" comes with the presuppositions that a language needs to be added, and that it might be added without a use case.
My suggestion is that a language would not be used without a use case. So unless someone enters a label in a language, that language is virtualy not there (in WikiData) even though it might exist in the IANA registry of language subtags and thus in ISO 639 and thus was acceptable to WikiData.
My other suggestion is that a language is "added" automatically when it exists in the IANA registry and when someone enters label data for it. I doubt it makes sense to bother anyone including the Language Committee with a request to "add" a language that undoubtedly exists anyways and thus shall be added anyways. After all, we have some 8888+ language/script/varieties left in the IANA registry that we do neither support nor allow to be used in WikiData at the moment.
Of course, you can view requests and permission as a matter to exercise some control about what is happening, but whould it scale?
Background info: Since I am capable to add (some) labels in half a dozen more languages than I currently routinely do, and WikiData would not let me (producing some sort of errors when I tried), I left almost half a dozen hints, error reports etc. already over time at various places. There was no remedy visible to me. My current suggestion is an outcome of my corresponding question to the developers of Wikidata present at the WikiCom 2014 in Cologne, and the hints and suggestions I got.
In addition to the above, I have a growing collection of dictionary data files of various languages waiting to be uploaded semiautomatically if I could.
Purodha
"Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com writes:
Hoi, Any ISO 639-3 language is admissible. HOWEVER, it only makes sense to add languages when there is a use case. When someone is interested in adding content in a particular language, the language committee is happy to allow for this. There is one proviso; when it becomes clear that content in a specific language is not representative of that language all the content will be removed.. Thanks, GerardM
On 5 October 2014 15:03, P. Blissenbach publi@web.de wrote:Hi everyone,
When entering labels in WikiData, any world language should be allowed.
Technical language/script/variety marking for internet ressources is currently defined in the IANA language subtag registry.
Thus the above suggestion boils down to mark language selections for labels by a valid code as per the IANA language subtag registry, and allow each tag to be used (referred to) by editors entering labels.
I created bug 71664 so as to overcome the current limitation.
Purodha
References:
http://www.iana.org/assignments/language-subtag-registry/language-subtag-reg...]
- IANA language subtag registry
** http://rishida.net/utils/subtags/%5Bhttp://rishida.net/utils/subtags/] - Interactive query of the IANA language subtag registry
http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/bcp/bcp47.txt%5Bhttp://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/...]
- BCP 47 = Best Current Practice - Tags for Identifying Language
http://www.w3.org/International/articles/language-tags/%5Bhttp://www.w3.org/...]
- Language tags in HTML and XML (by the W3C)
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71664%5Bhttps://bugzilla.wiki...]
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