2012/10/30 emijrp emijrp@gmail.com:

Cool, nice work.

SUL is not enabled?

It is, we just discussed it on IRC :)

Log out, then log in again to some other existing project (like https://ca.wikisource.org ) and then to https://www.wikidata.org , and it should work.

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On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 11:35 AM, emijrp emijrp@gmail.com wrote:

Ah, cool trick.

So, we can take October 30, 2012 as the day Wikidata was launched? I would like to add a line here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikidata

Yes that sounds good :)

Cheers Lydia

2012/10/30 Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintscher@wikimedia.de

On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 11:35 AM, emijrp emijrp@gmail.com wrote:

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Ah, cool trick.

So, we can take October 30, 2012 as the day Wikidata was launched? I

would

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like to add a line here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikidata

Yes that sounds good :)

Done. I'm not sure if we have to add R.I.P. 30 October 2012 to DBpedia and Freebase articles.

Joke.

Cheers Lydia

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2012/10/30 Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk:

On 30 October 2012 11:40, emijrp emijrp@gmail.com wrote:

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Done. I'm not sure if we have to add R.I.P. 30 October 2012 to DBpedia and Freebase articles.

And Wikispecies?

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Joke.

Hmm.

Phase 2 isn't started yet. We'll R.I.P them when it will be deployed. :P

2012/10/30 Jeroen De Dauw jeroendedauw@gmail.com:

Hey,

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Phase 2 isn't started yet.

Work on phase 2 has definitely started already, it just is not deployed on wikidata.org yet.

I meant "deployed", sorry.

On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Tom Morris tfmorris@gmail.com wrote:

Congratulations!

Thanks!

On an unrelated note, can we assume that all data added to wikidata.org is persistent now?

You can as soon as we remove the sitenotice (hopefully tomorrow but no promises). But at this point it is very unlikely that we'll have to do a reset. (I bet now that I say this I summoned the gods that will bring up a really really bad bug...)

Cheers Lydia

SUL enabled. Thanks guys, that's incredible. :D

*Anyway*, I said it would have been good to add a feature that once was enabled: on the left column, there were the various languages the items had a description in. Can it be re-enabled? (I know the bug is open...) 0:)

Can't wait for deployment on hu.wp. :)

L.

2012/10/30 emijrp emijrp@gmail.com:

Cool, nice work.

SUL is not enabled?

2012/10/30 Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintscher@wikimedia.de

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Heya folks :)

The Wikidata team is excited to let you know that http://wikidata.org is now online and running the repository code \o/ You can now create items and add language links to the various Wikipedias to them. Thank you to everyone who helped. There are some caveats! We're still testing things and fixing minor bugs. Please let us know about any problems you find and go easy on the new wiki.

We're now working on phase two (infoboxes) and at the same time are working on getting the client ready for deployment on the Hungarian Wikipedia. I unfortunately can't yet give you a date for when that'll happen.)

Cheers Lydia

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Great work, my congratulations!

------------------------------- Some first impressions:

Changing the language does not really work, the title of the item pages remain in English.

http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?setlang=de -> (Unterschied | Versionen) . . Sweden (Q34); 17:48 . . (+32) . . Aplasia (Diskussion | Beiträge) (Fügte websitespezifischen [itwiki] Link hinzu: Paesi Bassi)

although http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q34 does list de: Schweden.

I am not sure whether this is a bug or by design?

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In German, translation of "Item" with "Datenelement" = data element seems odd, a data element is usually something much smaller and atomic. See http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datenelement

Proposal: "Artikel" or "Datenobjekt"

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Change http://www.wikidata.org/ to http://wikidata.org/ ?

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I think the logo image (upper left corner) looks a bit lost, 10% larger perhaps? It is not even left aligned with the menu text below, which has ample margin

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Finally: The "Q###" will become the public face of Wikidata, whereever it is re-used. I think this "brand" should be less cryptic and use:

http://wikidata.org/wiki/WD34 or http://wikidata.org/wiki/W34

(providing a memnonic link to Wikidata) instead of current

http://wikidata.org/wiki/Q34

Gregor

Hey,

why wbgetentity does not exist in wikidata.org's API?

In the version of the code currently deployed the module is still named wbgetitems. This will change to wbgetentities on the next update of our deployed code though.

Cheers

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2012/10/31 Raimond Spekking raimond.spekking@gmail.com:

Am 30.10.2012 19:15, schrieb Gregor Hagedorn:

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In German, translation of "Item" with "Datenelement" = data element seems odd, a data element is usually something much smaller and atomic. See http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datenelement

Proposal: "Artikel" or "Datenobjekt"

This is an invitation to you and all other Wikidata users:

Please become a translator on https://translatewiki.net to fix wrong translations and translate into your language.

Now that Wikidata is live is much easier to see how messages are used in the interface :-)

Raimond.

Sure. Can you provide us the links? I'm ready for some translations. :)

I should assume that Translatewiki will cope also with translations of Properties when the time will come, am I right?

Wikidata properties will be translated like items, i.e. they will have wiki pages on Wikidata with labels (actually, you can see that already on our demo version).

Properties are not specific to a Wikibase-Instance, which is why it would not make sense to translate them using TranslateWiki. Properties are created within a given Wikibase-instance, e.g. Wikidata.

I hope that helps, Denny

2012/11/1 Raimond Spekking raimond.spekking@gmail.com:

Am 31.10.2012 15:38, schrieb Luca Martinelli:

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2012/10/31 Raimond Spekking raimond.spekking-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org:

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Am 30.10.2012 19:15, schrieb Gregor Hagedorn:

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In German, translation of "Item" with "Datenelement" = data element seems odd, a data element is usually something much smaller and atomic. See http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datenelement

Proposal: "Artikel" or "Datenobjekt"

This is an invitation to you and all other Wikidata users:

Please become a translator on https://translatewiki.net to fix wrong translations and translate into your language.

Now that Wikidata is live is much easier to see how messages are used in the interface :-)

Raimond.

Sure. Can you provide us the links? I'm ready for some translations. :)

Translatewiki: https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Main_Page

Click on "Start translating" and follow the steps.

For Wikidata 3 extensions need translation:

Repo: https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3ATranslate&taction=tran...

Client: https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3ATranslate&taction=tran...

Lib: https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3ATranslate&taction=tran...

(choose _your_ language)

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I should assume that Translatewiki will cope also with translations of Properties when the time will come, am I right?

Not Translatewiki itself. It is used for the user interfaces of software only.

But the Translate extension is requested to be installed on Wikidata already, especially for keeping documenation pages in sync.

If Translate could be used for Properties... No idea but I like the idea :-)

Raimond.

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But translatewiki.net can also help translate things like donation banners or policy pages, right? So, why not properties on Wikidata? I think that would be great! But it's more like translating page content, not system messages.

I am intrigued by the idea as well.

Yes, it is not system messages of the wikibase extension, it is system messages of a wikibase instance as Denny correctly explains. But then, sharing theses translations in a central place would tremendously help those who need to set up their own wikibase installation. I believe in the longer perspective, a large percentage of the properties (the descriptive vocabularly of "field names" in a database sense) that separate wikibase installations would use, would consist of re-use.

Whether the re-use mechanism involves translatewiki, or whether it should become a function of wikibase is an open question. I think not now, not while resources for the wikidata project are scarce, but I think it should be conceptually on the map.

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2012/11/1 Raimond Spekking raimond.spekking@gmail.com: [...]

For Wikidata 3 extensions need translation:

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Thank you very much, I'll start now. :)

2012/11/1 Denny Vrandečić denny.vrandecic@wikimedia.de:

Wikidata properties will be translated like items, i.e. they will have wiki pages on Wikidata with labels (actually, you can see that already on our demo version).

Properties are not specific to a Wikibase-Instance, which is why it would not make sense to translate them using TranslateWiki. Properties are created within a given Wikibase-instance, e.g. Wikidata.

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Translation will be required even for properties, but I suppose it will be like items, then.

Well, thanks for the clarification. I'll make a try with properties on the demo. :)

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Changing the language does not really work, the title of the item pages remain in English. http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?setlang=de

Did it have a German label or just a language link to dewp?

Probably it did not have a manually entered label at the time. After my post it now has. From what you write and what I tried today I assume that your don't use the Wikipedia-page title in a given language as default for the top line label of the wikidata page?

I realize that sometimes the Wikipedia title may not be the best final label but it seems an excellent default. a) a display default e.g. in recent changes. Presently many pages in recentchanges just show a number, although they are connected to many wp articles already. b) as a gray editable default when editing a page.

Presently, when in editing mode, the label on top seems to be visible only in a single language. If a label in English has already been entered, there is no access to it, neither read nor write. So when I go to a data page, I usually see NOTHING at the top when my language is set to German. The only way to guess the label of a data item is in fact to use the Wikipedia article titles.

Gregor