On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Joe Filceolaire <filceolaire(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
I agree that it makes sense that one of the first
things to do when
creating a new wikipedia article should be to create an infobox which is
automagically linked to the creation of a wikidata item. There are a number
of considerations related to this.
1. Notability. The current rules for Wikidata means that it is not
acceptable to create a wikidata item until after the Wikipedia article has
been created.
Most of the time superseded by "clearly identifiable conceptual or material
entity" or "structural need", but nevertheless important.
2. Drafts. English Wikipedia has recently enabled a Draft name space for
people to use to develop new articles. Articles in the Draft namespace are
not indexed by Google and are not required to meet notability standards
until they are transferred to the Main namespace. Should we change the
rules on wikidata so Draft articles can be sitelinked and have wikidata
items?
No idea how useful drafts are... or how often they move forward or get
deleted.
3. Visual Editor. The visual editor already has some template editing
functionality but it does not link to a wikidata item. To get Wikipedia
editors editing wikidata we need an infobox creation wizard which will mean
wikipedia editors can edit wikidata from inside wikipedia and it feels like
they are editing an info box. Personally I think the first step should be
to enable the wikibase client on wikidata so we can start developing these
internationalised and localised infoboxes on wikidata which can then be
redeployed to other WMF wikis.
Totally agree. Even better would be to have a "Infobox Reasonator", meaning
a standard infobox that can be used for everything (perfect for small
wikis). But for all that first we need Lua for testing the templates on WD:
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47071
Which needs arbitrary access:
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47930
And perhaps linking Wikidata pages as sitelinks, so Wikipedias can find our
custom-made infoboxes easily
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55570
As for WP-templates there is the need to be able to specify to which WD
property should a template field default. No idea if that has been
tracked/discussed somewhere.
Coming back to the topic of new articles, I think it is important to note
that most articles are categorized, and categories can give a hint about
the properties common to all articles belonging to the category. It should
be possible to semi-automate the process of creating wikidata items with an
initial set of statements depending on the item category. Infoboxes also
give hints about base statements.
Thanks
Micru