Hoi,
Maybe. At the same time other people are equally opposed to what you favour
so much. Your approach is one that is very much Wikipedia oriented. It is
not something that makes sense with a more Wikidata oriented approach.
The point is that quite often Wikidata is more informative than what
Wikipedia has to say in these redirects. It is also much better to link to
Reasonator to inform you about missing information than referring to
disambiguation pages or use redirects.
Really your approach does not consider the relevance the information
Wikidata and Reasonator holds.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 10 December 2014 at 10:06, James Heald <j.heald(a)ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
The trouble is that a particular individual may have
many memberships and
affiliations -- some perhaps to small units like bands; but some to larger
groups like clubs, or artistic movements.
It's better to let humans decide where is the best place in a particular
language to redirect people looking for information about a particular
person or thing.
And that then also covers hatmakers/hatmaking, or Bonnie and Clyde, and
every other example which is not just about a member of bands.
This discussion has been going on for two years now, and every time it has
come up (which has been many times -- at least a dozen now?), there have
been an overwhelming number of people supporting allowing and marking
site-links to redirects.
It's now time to move forward.
In particular, what are the parts of the code that assume sitelinks cannot
be to redirects (or that update sitelinks if pages are turned into
redirects) ? How do these need to be adjusted, if we move to a model of
allowing sitelinks to redirects, but only if a user has explicitly
confirmed that that is what they want.
There is a longstanding open feature request for this,
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54564
and that is perhaps the place to move to a discussion of which parts of
the code would need to be reviewed, if sitelinks to redirects are to become
mainstream.
-- James.
On 10/12/2014 06:10, Ricordisamoa wrote:
I think the redirects issue has been raised here
to make up for the poor
Wikidata-Wikipedia integration we currently have.
I imagine Winter showing a list of "related articles in other languages".
Reusing one of the examples: when viewing [[en:Rob Bourdon]], the
software should infer from [[d:Q19205]] that Rob Bourdon is /member of/
Linkin Park (Q261), for which the German Wikipedia has an article, that
will in turn be linked. Very little brain work is needed to understand
that the German article about the band is likely to contain information
about individual members.
While this may sound Reasonator-ish, if correctly implemented in
Wikibase it could improve interlanguage and interproject links in a way
that just cannot be achieved with redirects. Imagine the Wikipedia
entries for "Linkin Park" linking (pun intended) to Wikiquote entries of
each member.
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