Hoi,
Maybe. At the same time other people are equally opposed to what you favour so much. Your approach is one that is very much Wikipedia oriented. It is not something that makes sense with a more Wikidata oriented approach.

The point is that quite often Wikidata is more informative than what Wikipedia has to say in these redirects. It is also much better to link to Reasonator to inform you about missing information than referring to disambiguation pages or use redirects.

Really your approach does not consider the relevance the information Wikidata and Reasonator holds.
Thanks,
      GerardM

On 10 December 2014 at 10:06, James Heald <j.heald@ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
The trouble is that a particular individual may have many memberships and affiliations -- some perhaps to small units like bands; but some to larger groups like clubs, or artistic movements.

It's better to let humans decide where is the best place in a particular language to redirect people looking for information about a particular person or thing.

And that then also covers hatmakers/hatmaking, or Bonnie and Clyde, and every other example which is not just about a member of bands.


This discussion has been going on for two years now, and every time it has come up (which has been many times -- at least a dozen now?), there have been an overwhelming number of people supporting allowing and marking site-links to redirects.

It's now time to move forward.

In particular, what are the parts of the code that assume sitelinks cannot be to redirects (or that update sitelinks if pages are turned into redirects) ?   How do these need to be adjusted, if we move to a model of allowing sitelinks to redirects, but only if a user has explicitly confirmed that that is what they want.

There is a longstanding open feature request for this,
   https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T54564
and that is perhaps the place to move to a discussion of which parts of the code would need to be reviewed, if sitelinks to redirects are to become mainstream.

  -- James.



On 10/12/2014 06:10, Ricordisamoa wrote:
I think the redirects issue has been raised here to make up for the poor
Wikidata-Wikipedia integration we currently have.
I imagine Winter showing a list of "related articles in other languages".
Reusing one of the examples: when viewing [[en:Rob Bourdon]], the
software should infer from [[d:Q19205]] that Rob Bourdon is /member of/
Linkin Park (Q261), for which the German Wikipedia has an article, that
will in turn be linked. Very little brain work is needed to understand
that the German article about the band is likely to contain information
about individual members.
While this may sound Reasonator-ish, if correctly implemented in
Wikibase it could improve interlanguage and interproject links in a way
that just cannot be achieved with redirects. Imagine the Wikipedia
entries for "Linkin Park" linking (pun intended) to Wikiquote entries of
each member.



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