Thanks for mansplaining agility management and Wikidata. Thanks so much. I was uneducated
and now I know!
I am a big evangelist of Wikidata, although I am definitely coming from the Wikipedia
editing side. I am an active contributor and supporter.
I don't get this siloed perspective of the project as it relates to Wikipedia
especially.
I think it hurts Wikidata in the long run.
There are lots of people out there who when Wikidata has been mentioned and discussed at
length are very excited and interested. I hesitate to encourage them to be part of this
community. It's very tough.
- Erika
On Feb 7, 2017, at 1:44 PM, Thad Guidry
<thadguidry(a)gmail.com> wrote:
In Agile management...That effort is called a task. So your trying to categorize
tasks...In wikidata? Hmm...thats not what wikidata is for. Please don't clutter
Wikidata with those. Instead use other tools or phabricator.
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017, 12:08 PM Brill Lyle <wp.brilllyle(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Vladimir and Thad,
>
> As to Thad's suggestion:
>
> I think this is a bad idea, as it ties Black Lunch Table to Visual artists of the
African diaspora in a misleading way. These artists are not specifically Black Lunch Table
artists -- they are part of the effort to address a diversity gap on the various Wikimedia
projects.
>
> Similarly, would this be used for Women in Red's massive task lists, or other
initiatives' task lists? It seems really wrong-headed in a fundamental way.
>
> As to Vladimir's suggestion:
>
> Yes: I think the category discussion should be re-opened.
>
> Yes categories can be edited by all. But as far as I can tell, they are the only
option here -- unless there is a better option beyond tagging items with BLT. Sorry I just
don't see that as a practical or logical solution.
>
>
> This is a great opportunity to create bridges and collaboration -- and most
importantly outreach -- to the broader community between Wikidata and Wikipedia and
Wikimedia Commons at minimum. It's a potential to integrate the projects in a really
complementary, productive way. I think that it is in Wikidata's best interests to
support this type of community-building effort.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> - Erika
>
>
>
>
> Erika Herzog
> Wikipedia User:BrillLyle
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 11:51 AM, Thad Guidry <thadguidry(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Think about the use case differently...and what your really trying to capture.
>
> To more properly allow flexible semantic relations for the Erika and heathart's
use case as a best practice, you can just do the following:
>
> Just create the BLACK LUNCH TABLE item in Wikipedia with a good description and add
the property "subclass of" with "Event".. but in the future, BLACK
LUNCH TABLE might be changed and thought of as an Organization ?...or if you think it
really is more of an Organization now...then make it an "instance of" an
"organization".
>
> Then add the property "part of"
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P361
> on each Visual artist item and fill in "part of" with the BLACK LUNCH TABLE
item.
>
> Things to think about:
> Was the Artist a "part of" the Black Lunch Table organization ?
> Did the Artist "attend" one of the Black Lunch Table events on only 1 day
?
> Are there multiple Black Lunch Table Events around the nation...are they "hosted
by" someone, sometime, somelocation ?
> ...
> see where I am getting at ?
> You 1st need to understand and properly state in Wikidata what "Black Lunch
Table" really is or what "Black Lunch Table 2017" means or what "Black
Lunch Table, 2017, Boston, MA" means if it happens, and create an item for it and
while doing so...think about the future of as well...and how it "Black Lunch
Table" (whatever that THING is) might change as the movement/organization/events
might spread or grow in scale.
>
> Best of luck to all Black Artists out there !
> -Thad
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 10:16 AM Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir(a)sirma.bg> wrote:
> > Is there another property that could be substituted instead on Wikidata?
>
>
>
> Unfortunately no.
>
>
>
> > the categories seemed so logical.
>
>
>
> It IS logical to use an existing category for this purpose.
>
>
>
> But the WD community has rejected my proposal
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/30#category (and the
previous one “useful for / interesting to”) because:
>
> - categories are a bit messy, since many people use them for various purposes
>
> - synchronizing cat-item assignments between WD and Wikipedias would be a major
hassle.
>
>
>
> They even rejected having such property that is NOT synced with Wikipedias, for
project purposes like
>
> yours (Black Lunch Table) and mine (Europeana Food and Drink, European Holocaust
Research Infrastructure).
>
>
>
> WD does have a bunch of over-specific categoreies, e.g. “people born/died/buried
here”. See
>
>
https://tools.wmflabs.org/sqid/#/browse?activepage=1&type=properties&am…
>
>
>
> Does anyone think we should reopen this discussion?
>
>
>
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