In Agile management...That effort is called a task. So your trying to
categorize tasks...In wikidata? Hmm...thats not what wikidata is for.
Please don't clutter Wikidata with those. Instead use other tools or
phabricator.
On Tue, Feb 7, 2017, 12:08 PM Brill Lyle <wp.brilllyle(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Vladimir and Thad,
As to Thad's suggestion:
I think this is a bad idea, as it ties Black Lunch Table to Visual artists
of the African diaspora in a misleading way. These artists are not
specifically Black Lunch Table artists -- they are part of the effort to
address a diversity gap on the various Wikimedia projects.
Similarly, would this be used for Women in Red's massive task lists, or
other initiatives' task lists? It seems really wrong-headed in a
fundamental way.
As to Vladimir's suggestion:
Yes: I think the category discussion should be re-opened.
Yes categories can be edited by all. But as far as I can tell, they are
the only option here -- unless there is a better option beyond tagging
items with BLT. Sorry I just don't see that as a practical or logical
solution.
This is a great opportunity to create bridges and collaboration -- and
most importantly outreach -- to the broader community between Wikidata and
Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons at minimum. It's a potential to integrate
the projects in a really complementary, productive way. I think that it is
in Wikidata's best interests to support this type of community-building
effort.
Best,
- Erika
*Erika Herzog*
Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BrillLyle>*
On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 11:51 AM, Thad Guidry <thadguidry(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Think about the use case differently...and what your really trying to
capture.
To more properly allow flexible semantic relations for the Erika and
heathart's use case as a best practice, you can just do the following:
Just create the BLACK LUNCH TABLE item in Wikipedia with a good
description and add the property "subclass of" with "Event".. but in
the
future, BLACK LUNCH TABLE might be changed and thought of as an
Organization ?...or if you think it really is more of an Organization
now...then make it an "instance of" an "organization".
Then add the property "part of"
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P361
on each Visual artist item and fill in "part of" with the BLACK LUNCH
TABLE item.
Things to think about:
Was the Artist a "part of" the Black Lunch Table organization ?
Did the Artist "attend" one of the Black Lunch Table events on only 1 day ?
Are there multiple Black Lunch Table Events around the nation...are they
"hosted by" someone, sometime, somelocation ?
...
see where I am getting at ?
You 1st need to understand and properly state in Wikidata what "Black
Lunch Table" really is or what "Black Lunch Table 2017" means or what
"Black Lunch Table, 2017, Boston, MA" means if it happens, and create an
item for it and while doing so...think about the future of as well...and
how it "Black Lunch Table" (whatever that THING is) might change as the
movement/organization/events might spread or grow in scale.
Best of luck to all Black Artists out there !
-Thad
On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 10:16 AM Vladimir Alexiev <vladimir(a)sirma.bg>
wrote:
Is there another property that could be
substituted instead on Wikidata?
Unfortunately no.
the categories seemed so logical.
It IS logical to use an existing category for this purpose.
But the WD community has rejected my proposal
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Archive/30#category
(and the previous one “useful for / interesting to”) because:
- categories are a bit messy, since many people use them for various
purposes
- synchronizing cat-item assignments between WD and Wikipedias would be a
major hassle.
They even rejected having such property that is NOT synced with
Wikipedias, for project purposes like
yours (Black Lunch Table) and mine (Europeana Food and Drink, European
Holocaust Research Infrastructure).
WD does have a bunch of over-specific categoreies, e.g. “people
born/died/buried here”. See
https://tools.wmflabs.org/sqid/#/browse?activepage=1&type=properties&am…
Does anyone think we should reopen this discussion?
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