Hello,
Thanks a lot for your questions and feedbacks. Here are some answers, I hope these will be useful.
*- How wikidata and wiktionary databases will be synchronized?* New entity types will be created in Wikidata database, with new ids (ex. L for lexemes). A Wiktionary will have the possibility to include data from Wikidata in their pages (the complete entity or only some chosen statements, as the community decides)
*- Will editing wiktionary change?* Yes, changes will happen, but we're working on making editing Wiktionary easier. Soon as we can provide some mockups, we will share them with you for collecting feedbacks.
*- Will bots be allowed/able to edit wiktionary pages after the support of wikidata in wiktionary?* Yes, of course, we want the data to be machine-readable and editable, and with the new structure, bots will be able to edit data stored in Wikidata and still Wiktionary pages.
*- Can an edit in a wiktionary A break wiktionary B?* Data about lexemes will be stored on Wikidata, and Wiktionaries will choose if they want to use this data, which part of it and how. Yes, if an information stored in Wikidata and displayed on several Wiktionaries is modified, via Wikidata or a Wiktionary interface, this will affect all the pages where the information is included. Because Wikidata is a multilingual project, we already have to deal with the language issue, and we hope that with the increase of the numbers of editors coming from Wikidata and Wiktionaries, it will become easier to find people with at least one common language to communicate between the different projects.
*- What else can provide wikidata to wiktionary?* Machine-readable data will allow users to create new tools, useful for editors, based on the communities' needs. By helping the different communities (Wiktionaries and Wikidata) working together on the same project, we expect a growth of the number of people editing the lexicographical data, providing more review and a better quality of the data. Finally, when centralized and structured, the data will be easily reusable by third parties, other websites or applications... and give a better visibility of the volunteers' work.
On 13 September 2016 at 22:53, Amirouche Boubekki amirouche@hypermove.net wrote:
Héllo,
I am very happy of this news.
I a wiki newbie interested in using wikidata to do text analysis. I try to follow the discussion here and on french wiktionary.
I take this as opportunity to try to sum up some concerns that are raised on french wiktionary [0]:
How wikidata and wiktionary databases will be synchronized?
Will editing wiktionary change? The concern is that this will make
editing wiktionary more difficult for people.
- Also, what about bots. Will bots be allowed/able to edit wiktionary
pages after the support of wikidata in wiktionary?
- Another concern is that if edits are done in some wiktionary and that
edit has an impact on another wiktionary. People will have trouble to reconcil their opinion given they don't speak the same language. Can an edit in a wiktionary A break wiktionary B?
I understand that wikidata requires new code to support the organisation of new relations between the data. I understand that with wikidata it will be easy to create interwiki links and thesaurus kind of pages but what else can provide wikidata to wiktionary?
[0] https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/Projet:Coop%C3%A9ration/Wikidata
Thanks,
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On 2016-09-13 15:17, Lydia Pintscher wrote:
Hey everyone :)
Wiktionary is our third-largest sister project, both in term of active editors and readers. It is a unique resource, with the goal to provide a dictionary for every language, in every language. Since the beginning of Wikidata but increasingly over the past months I have been getting more and more requests for supporting Wiktionary and lexicographical data in Wikidata. Having this data available openly and freely licensed would be a major step forward in automated translation, text analysis, text generation and much more. It will enable and ease research. And most importantly it will enable the individual Wiktionary communities to work more closely together and benefit from each other’s work.
With this and the increased demand to support Wikimedia Commons with Wikidata, we have looked at the bigger picture and our options. I am seeing a lot of overlap in the work we need to do to support Wiktionary and Commons. I am also seeing increasing pressure to store lexicographical data in existing items (which would be bad for many reasons).
Because of this we will start implementing support for Wiktionary in parallel to Commons based on our annual plan and quarterly plans. We contacted several of our partners in order to get funding for this additional work. I am happy that Google agreed to provide funding (restricted to work on Wikidata). With this we can reorganize our team and set up one part of the team to continue working on building out the core of Wikidata and support for Wikipedia and Commons and the other part will concentrate on Wiktionary. (To support and to extend our work around Wikidata with the help of external funding sources was our plan in our annual plan 2016: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Proposals/2015- 2016_round1/Wikimedia_Deutschland_e.V./Proposal_form# Financials:_current_funding_period)
As a next step I’d like us all to have another careful look at the latest proposal at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary/Development. It has been online for input in its current form for a year and the first version is 3 years old now. So I am confident that the proposal is in a good shape to start implementation. However I’d like to do a last round of feedback with you all to make sure the concept really is sane. To make it easier to understand there is now also a pdf explaining the concept in a slightly different way: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikidata_for_Wiktion ary_announcement.pdf Please do go ahead and review it. If you have comments or questions please leave them on the talk page of the latest proposal at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Wiktionary/Devel opment/Proposals/2015-05. I’d be especially interested in feedback from editors who are familiar with both Wiktionary and Wikidata.
Getting support for Wiktionary done - just like for Commons - will take some time but I am really excited about the opportunities it will open up especially for languages that have so far not gotten much or any technological support.
Cheers Lydia
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