On 2016-08-11 22:29, Markus Kroetzsch wrote:
> On 11.08.2016 18:45, Andra Waagmeester wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Markus Kroetzsch
>> <markus.kroetzsch(a)tu-dresden.de <mailto:markus.kroetzsch@tu-dresden.de>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> has a statement "population: 20,086 (point in time: 2011)" that is
>> confirmed by a reference. Nevertheless, the statement is marked as
>> "deprecated". This would mean that the statement "the popluation was
>> 20,086 in 2011" is wrong. As far as I can tell, this is not the case.
>>
>>
>> I wouldn't say that with a deprecated rank, that statement is "wrong". I
>> consider de term deprecated to indicate that a given statement is no
>> longer valid in the context of a given resource (reference). I agree, in
>> this specific case the use of the deprecated rank is wrong, since no
>> references are given to that specific statement.
>> Nevertheless, I think it is possible to have disagreeing resources on an
>> identical statement, where two identical statements exists, one with
>> rank "deprecated" and one with rank "normal". It is up to the user to
>> decide which source s/he trusts.
>>
>
> The status "deprecated" is part of the claim of the statement. The
> reference is supposed to support this claim, which in this case is
> also the claim that it is deprecated. The status is not meant to
> deprecate a reference (not saying that this is never useful,
> potentially, but you can only use it in one way, and it seems much
> more practical if deprecated statements get references that explain
> why they are deprecated).
>
Yes. I think a complete deprecated statement should look like this :
Rank: Deprecated
Value: <some value>
Qualifier: P2241:reason for deprecation + <some reason>
References
* P248:Stated in (or any other property for a reference) --> a reference
where the value is true (explaining why we added it)
Value: <name of the reference>
+ any additional qualifiers
* P1310:statement disputed by --> a reference
explaining why the claim is deprecated
Value: <name of the reference>
+ any additional qualifiers
JL aka Melderick