Yaroslav M. Blanter putevod@mccme.ru wrote:
actually, I am pretty sure we did discuss the procedure which requires endorsement (we did not call it approval), either at the extraordinary meeting in December (related to the survey banner story) or in the RCom mailing list in the thread related to the same story....
The discussion in the RCom mailing list archives is fairly summarized by http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/rcom-l/2011-December/000506.html "I rather suspect that there isn't consensus on this committee to restrict researchers in their requesting community members to complete research questionnaires."
The subsequent etherpad minutes for the December 22, 2011 meeting, discuss a "future subject recruitment policy" which the participants state they do not understand how to craft.
do not call other people liars unless you have very strong proofs....
Is there any way to interpret these two statements such that one of them is not a lie?
"this is a policy that we're enforcing ... approval is required" http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Research_talk%3AFAQ&diff=344...
"due to the lack of a formal policy, the RCom has never been in a position to grant any kind of "definitive approval" to recruit participants" http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wiki-research-l/2012-March/001896.html
The first of those two statements was made in an effort to accuse me of misconduct. I stand by my statements, and I am certain that I have acted ethically.
It would be best if this issue were addressed as a mistake on the part of those who have contradicted themselves.
Sincerely, James Salsman
James,
Please discontinue hijacking this discussion about Audrey's proposal for your crusade. If you'd like to challenge Dario publicly, please start your own thread.
-Aaron
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 6:54 PM, James Salsman jsalsman@gmail.com wrote:
Yaroslav M. Blanter putevod@mccme.ru wrote:
actually, I am pretty sure we did discuss the procedure which requires endorsement (we did not call it approval), either at the extraordinary meeting in December (related to the survey banner story) or in the RCom mailing list in the thread related to the same story....
The discussion in the RCom mailing list archives is fairly summarized by http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/rcom-l/2011-December/000506.html "I rather suspect that there isn't consensus on this committee to restrict researchers in their requesting community members to complete research questionnaires."
The subsequent etherpad minutes for the December 22, 2011 meeting, discuss a "future subject recruitment policy" which the participants state they do not understand how to craft.
do not call other people liars unless you have very strong proofs....
Is there any way to interpret these two statements such that one of them is not a lie?
"this is a policy that we're enforcing ... approval is required"
http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Research_talk%3AFAQ&diff=344...
"due to the lack of a formal policy, the RCom has never been in a position to grant any kind of "definitive approval" to recruit participants" http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wiki-research-l/2012-March/001896.html
The first of those two statements was made in an effort to accuse me of misconduct. I stand by my statements, and I am certain that I have acted ethically.
It would be best if this issue were addressed as a mistake on the part of those who have contradicted themselves.
Sincerely, James Salsman
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Hey guys.
I wrote a proposal for reviewing all research done on human subjects on Wikipedia. Please check it out here. < http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Committee/Areas_of_interest/Sub...
Dario suggested that conversation about subject recruitment leave this mailing list. Could I ask that someone set up a human subject research mailing list and then describe how I may join it?
Thanks.
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Aaron Halfaker aaron.halfaker@gmail.comwrote:
James,
Please discontinue hijacking this discussion about Audrey's proposal for your crusade. If you'd like to challenge Dario publicly, please start your own thread.
-Aaron
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 6:54 PM, James Salsman jsalsman@gmail.com wrote:
Yaroslav M. Blanter putevod@mccme.ru wrote:
actually, I am pretty sure we did discuss the procedure which requires endorsement (we did not call it approval), either at the extraordinary meeting in December (related to the survey banner story) or in the RCom mailing list in the thread related to the same story....
The discussion in the RCom mailing list archives is fairly summarized by http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/rcom-l/2011-December/000506.html "I rather suspect that there isn't consensus on this committee to restrict researchers in their requesting community members to complete research questionnaires."
The subsequent etherpad minutes for the December 22, 2011 meeting, discuss a "future subject recruitment policy" which the participants state they do not understand how to craft.
do not call other people liars unless you have very strong proofs....
Is there any way to interpret these two statements such that one of them is not a lie?
"this is a policy that we're enforcing ... approval is required"
http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Research_talk%3AFAQ&diff=344...
"due to the lack of a formal policy, the RCom has never been in a position to grant any kind of "definitive approval" to recruit participants"
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wiki-research-l/2012-March/001896.html
The first of those two statements was made in an effort to accuse me of misconduct. I stand by my statements, and I am certain that I have acted ethically.
It would be best if this issue were addressed as a mistake on the part of those who have contradicted themselves.
Sincerely, James Salsman
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