*Nutshell: The big, blue button will soon say "Publish page" instead of "Save page", because when you click it, the contents get published on the internet.*
I apologize for cross-posting this to the GLAM and Education lists:
A long-requested change to the "Save" button may finally happen towards the end of March. This is a button that anyone leading a workshop about editing is going to talk about, so I wanted to make sure that you didn't get surprised by this change.
Last year, the WMF looked into an old request to clarify the language on the "Save" button, which confuses some new contributors. The main problem is that it is unclear whether "Save" means "save a private copy" (as it does on most websites these days) or "irrevocably post this to the internet". This confusion apparently explains a few unwanted behaviors, such as editors who save the page ("just to be safe") before previewing their changes.
There are some other reasons behind to do this: It creates some inconsistency in the interface, as some things (e.g., Special:Preferences) get saved but kept private, while other things (e.g., normal wiki pages) get saved and immediately published. It is also difficult to translate the label into some languages, as the word has multiple possible translations in some languages.
The plan, therefore, is to change "Save" to "Publish". Instead of the big blue[1] button saying "Save page" (for a new page) or "Save changes" (when you edit an existing page), the button will instead say "Publish page" or "Publish changes".
The upside to this small change is that new contributors will understand that all of their edits go to the public immediately.[2] The downside is that all of the documentation and help pages is going to be out of date.
This plan was announced on the wikis last August, and is tentatively scheduled for sometime in March. I hope that this extra note will keep you from getting surprised in front of a group and give you enough time to update any handouts that you might be using in the future.
Relevant links:
- https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131132 – main task (best place to figure out if this gets postponed again) - Special:Translations&message=Publishpage https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translations&namespace=8&message=Publishpage (translation status) - Special:Translations&message=Publishchanges https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translations&namespace=8&message=Publishchanges (translation status)
[1] The color of this button in all of the older wikitext editors will be changing this week. It's going to be big and blue.
[2] This is true even when the wiki is using FlaggedRevisions or PendingChanges, because the un-accepted changes can be seen by the general public from the history page or from &oldid URLs, regardless of whether the revision has been accepted.
On 28 February 2017 at 21:50, Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder ssnyder@wikimedia.org wrote:
A long-requested change to the "Save" button may finally happen towards the end of March. This is a button that anyone leading a workshop about editing is going to talk about, so I wanted to make sure that you didn't get surprised by this change.
I set out may arguments against this change; and the negative impact it will have in the draft namespace/ AFC in particular, in:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_148...
AFAICT, the latter point in particular has not been addressed.
The downside is that all of the documentation and help pages is going to be out of date.
Not to mention videos.
The majority of the work we do isnt publishing, removing copyrighted content from an article isnt publishing. When discussing issues on talk people dont see that as publishing but rather discussing.
As someone who has trained a lot of people if the term publish is used it'll actually be a hindrance to getting them to make even the smallest of spelling corrections.
Not every language has a word for publish, there are some 300 Indigenous Australian languages that dont one our biggest challenges in taking the first Australian Indigenous (Noongar[NYS]) language from incubator to live is actually in finding the right words for the buttons and menus
On 1 March 2017 at 07:43, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On 28 February 2017 at 21:50, Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder ssnyder@wikimedia.org wrote:
A long-requested change to the "Save" button may finally happen towards
the
end of March. This is a button that anyone leading a workshop about
editing
is going to talk about, so I wanted to make sure that you didn't get surprised by this change.
I set out may arguments against this change; and the negative impact it will have in the draft namespace/ AFC in particular, in:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_( technical)/Archive_148#Save.2FPublish
AFAICT, the latter point in particular has not been addressed.
The downside is that all of the documentation and help pages is going to
be out
of date.
Not to mention videos.
-- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
GLAM mailing list GLAM@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/glam
When creating a new article, the term will apparently change from Save to Publish.
When Editing an existing article, the term is now *Save*. I hope that button will remain the same?
Jos Damen
PS As an ardent Wikipedian, I totally agree with Grossman 2014 (Wikiwand): "It didn’t make sense to us that the fifth most popular website in the world, used by half a billion people, has an interface that hasn’t been updated in over a decade. We found the Wikipedia interface cluttered, hard to read (large blocks of small text), hard to navigate, and lacking in terms of usability."
2017-03-01 1:21 GMT+01:00 Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com:
The majority of the work we do isnt publishing, removing copyrighted content from an article isnt publishing. When discussing issues on talk people dont see that as publishing but rather discussing.
As someone who has trained a lot of people if the term publish is used it'll actually be a hindrance to getting them to make even the smallest of spelling corrections.
Not every language has a word for publish, there are some 300 Indigenous Australian languages that dont one our biggest challenges in taking the first Australian Indigenous (Noongar[NYS]) language from incubator to live is actually in finding the right words for the buttons and menus
On 1 March 2017 at 07:43, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On 28 February 2017 at 21:50, Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder ssnyder@wikimedia.org wrote:
A long-requested change to the "Save" button may finally happen towards
the
end of March. This is a button that anyone leading a workshop about
editing
is going to talk about, so I wanted to make sure that you didn't get surprised by this change.
I set out may arguments against this change; and the negative impact it will have in the draft namespace/ AFC in particular, in:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(t echnical)/Archive_148#Save.2FPublish
AFAICT, the latter point in particular has not been addressed.
The downside is that all of the documentation and help pages is going
to be out
of date.
Not to mention videos.
-- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
GLAM mailing list GLAM@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/glam
-- GN. President Wikimedia Australia WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com
GLAM mailing list GLAM@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/glam
apologies. correct version:
When creating a new article, the term will apparently change from *Save* to Publish.
When Editing an existing article, the term is now *Save changes*. I hope that button will remain the same?
Jos Damen
PS As an ardent Wikipedian, I totally agree with Grossman 2014 (Wikiwand): "It didn’t make sense to us that the fifth most popular website in the world, used by half a billion people, has an interface that hasn’t been updated in over a decade. We found the Wikipedia interface cluttered, hard to read (large blocks of small text), hard to navigate, and lacking in terms of usability."
2017-03-01 9:33 GMT+01:00 Jos Damen josephcmdamen@gmail.com:
When creating a new article, the term will apparently change from Save to Publish.
When Editing an existing article, the term is now *Save*. I hope that button will remain the same?
Jos Damen
PS As an ardent Wikipedian, I totally agree with Grossman 2014 (Wikiwand): "It didn’t make sense to us that the fifth most popular website in the world, used by half a billion people, has an interface that hasn’t been updated in over a decade. We found the Wikipedia interface cluttered, hard to read (large blocks of small text), hard to navigate, and lacking in terms of usability."
2017-03-01 1:21 GMT+01:00 Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com:
The majority of the work we do isnt publishing, removing copyrighted content from an article isnt publishing. When discussing issues on talk people dont see that as publishing but rather discussing.
As someone who has trained a lot of people if the term publish is used it'll actually be a hindrance to getting them to make even the smallest of spelling corrections.
Not every language has a word for publish, there are some 300 Indigenous Australian languages that dont one our biggest challenges in taking the first Australian Indigenous (Noongar[NYS]) language from incubator to live is actually in finding the right words for the buttons and menus
On 1 March 2017 at 07:43, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On 28 February 2017 at 21:50, Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder ssnyder@wikimedia.org wrote:
A long-requested change to the "Save" button may finally happen
towards the
end of March. This is a button that anyone leading a workshop about
editing
is going to talk about, so I wanted to make sure that you didn't get surprised by this change.
I set out may arguments against this change; and the negative impact it will have in the draft namespace/ AFC in particular, in:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(techn ical)/Archive_148#Save.2FPublish
AFAICT, the latter point in particular has not been addressed.
The downside is that all of the documentation and help pages is going
to be out
of date.
Not to mention videos.
-- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
GLAM mailing list GLAM@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/glam
-- GN. President Wikimedia Australia WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com
GLAM mailing list GLAM@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/glam