On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:56 AM, ChaoticFluffy <chaoticfluffy(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
another user a woman. It was that, when told they WERE
a woman, the user
said that "THAT clarifies it" and then, when told that that was a bit
snarky, clarified that what he meant was "they can't be a woman, women
don't
act like that." It's the "women don't act like that" part that I
(and
apparently I alone?) find problematic. Think about hearing that statement if
you were, say, a M2F transsexual, who has been rejected by people before for
not being a "real" woman. And now someone comes along and says that since
you don't act in a manner they approve of, you're not a woman? That's one
more rejection, one more invalidation, of you as a person.
Thank you for sharing the "other" part of the issue (what a pun!) - the
"women don't act like that." It's insulting, hurtful and and is more so
for
people with gender dysphoria or who are going through gender "evolutions" if
you will.. My entire life I've been told women don't do the things I do
("you're a DJ? and a woman?") and it makes you look at yourself and
question
who you are. And to know you aren't "behaving like a woman," or "acting
like
a woman," is just plain...bizarre. It's the 21st century. What's acting like
a woman? What's acting like a man?
Invalidating someone's life experiences or gender identity is offensive.
I'm very sorry that so few people seem to realize the damage that words like
that can do, and I'm even sorrier than so many people seem to think that I'm
a terrible, offensive person for having pointed out in public that these
things can be offensive to real people.
You're *not* a terrible, offensive person - name calling is just a mechanism
that people are using to deny that they could possibly be acting "terrible"
or offensively. But, I'm not a psychologist - I've just been called quite a
few names in my day and it seems like a pattern.
This is the hard part of what we're all examining here - we have to discuss
these things, and people are going to call us names, declare us of having
agendas and seek ways to "stop" us or shush us. I *really* appreciate you
speaking up, sharing your thoughts and so forth, especially as an admin. To
have people with power speak up, really is an impactful thing. And it's not
a witch hunt - it's on the internet, it's right there, for all to read, and
you as an admin participated and read it. You did what most people seem to
don't - you spoke against the "Wiki-grain."
<3
I'm greatly discouraged by the feedback I'm
getting here, the loudest of
which seems to be telling me that if someone makes an offensive comment,
it's incredibly rude to tell them they're being offensive.
+1
People often don't like being pointed out on their behavior, when it's bad.
Who does? But this is grown up time, so kids, if you can dish it "like a
grown up" (a rather immature one!), you should be able to take it like a
grown up and listen when your colleagues say "You're out of line." What
would you expect in an educational environment? I suppose people have been
getting away with this stuff for so long they are used to it.
And it is a BOYZONE. Women only make up 9% of Wikipedia editors, and keep in
mind that highly active and vocal Wikipedians make up a very small
percentage of ALL EDITORS. So imagine, if only 9% of women "edit"
Wikipedia...only about 1-2% of us are vocal and highly productive. If we're
not working in a "boyzone" "manzone" "dudezone"
"peniszone" "gentlemanzone"
or whatever is preferred, then...?
But at least I know if I upload too many copyright violations as a n00b
because I don't understand copyright law and the wiki-speak on the
documentation pages doesn't help, I can get my account blocked for a while
instead of getting help on how copyright works on Wikipedia. On OTRS I get
a lot of inquiries from people who have their accounts blocked for a week
because they have no clue that they "can't do that" and complain about how
complex things are. At least we're blocking people for having good
intentions.
-Sarah
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