I agree, i pretty much knew that the ggtf stuff wkuld hitbthe news somewhere.
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------ Original message------ From: Carol Moore dc Date: Thu, Dec 11, 2014 9:01 PM To: Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation of women within Wikimedia projects.; Subject:Re: [Gendergap] ya'll are in slate
On 12/11/2014 6:13 PM, Risker wrote:
Well, I suppose the Arbitration Committee will now figure out why I thought the case name should be changed.
Risker/Anne
The name is accurate. It was the interactions at GGTF that started the hullabaloo. The Arbitration committee was coming out against it until someone brought SPECIFICO's harassment of me to ANI, several GGTF people got up to document/complain about it happening at GGTF, and SPECIFICO got interaction banned.
At that point Sitush went crazy, screaming about outing and researching me, site banning me, writing the bio, which ended up with and Misc for Deletion and an ANI.
Suddenly Arbitration comittee decided "GGTF" was important enough.
Like Sitush, did enough Arbitrators think these WOMEN (and their supporters) were getting just TOO uppity and getting males in trouble for their mere boys will be boys (harassment) behavior?
Remember a couple of them were convinced by some liars that GGTF was strongly behind the proposal that a woman's edits only could be reverted by TWO male editors? It took several people with diffs to disabuse them of that notion!!!
So this really was very much about GGTF and interactions there.
CM
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Well perhaps it would have made the news. Or perhaps the author was priming the pump for the GamerGate arbitration case, with which his name is closely associated. Or perhaps it's just coincidence that someone who has a platform also happens to be watching the arbitration committee at this particular time and commented on the case that just happened to close at the same time.
I disagree, however, that it was ever about the GGTF. This was a pretty simple behaviour case and the behaviours submitted in evidence and obviously considered by Arbcom went far beyond the GGTF, in the case of pretty well everyone involved. It didn't take me long into my first term as an arbitrator to realise that if an editor behaved problematically in one venue, they were pretty much always behaving problematically in other venues; in other words, the locus of the dispute was almost never a key factor, it was the behaviour.
If people on this list insist that it really was all about the GGTF, then the fact that the behaviours that resulted in the most significant sanctions were all pointed at people who had a longer history of activity at the GGTF than those who had a short history may be telling a truth that many are reluctant to hear.
Risker/Anne
On 11 December 2014 at 21:58, reguyla@gmail.com reguyla@gmail.com wrote:
I agree, i pretty much knew that the ggtf stuff wkuld hitbthe news somewhere.
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*From: *Carol Moore dc
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*To: *Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation of women within Wikimedia projects.;
*Subject:*Re: [Gendergap] ya'll are in slate
On 12/11/2014 6:13 PM, Risker wrote:
Well, I suppose the Arbitration Committee will now figure out why I thought the case name should be changed.
Risker/Anne
The name is accurate. It was the interactions at GGTF that started the hullabaloo. The Arbitration committee was coming out against it until someone brought SPECIFICO's harassment of me to ANI, several GGTF people got up to document/complain about it happening at GGTF, and SPECIFICO got interaction banned.
At that point Sitush went crazy, screaming about outing and researching me, site banning me, writing the bio, which ended up with and Misc for Deletion and an ANI.
Suddenly Arbitration comittee decided "GGTF" was important enough.
Like Sitush, did enough Arbitrators think these WOMEN (and their supporters) were getting just TOO uppity and getting males in trouble for their mere boys will be boys (harassment) behavior?
Remember a couple of them were convinced by some liars that GGTF was strongly behind the proposal that a woman's edits only could be reverted by TWO male editors? It took several people with diffs to disabuse them of that notion!!!
So this really was very much about GGTF and interactions there.
CM
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On 12/11/2014 10:10 PM, Risker wrote:
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If people on this list insist that it really was all about the GGTF, then the fact that the behaviours that resulted in the most significant sanctions were all pointed at people who had a longer history of activity at the GGTF than those who had a short history may be telling a truth that many are reluctant to hear.
Risker/Anne
What GGTF did was bring into focus for more individuals issues of behavior (sexism, male dominance, negative female response to same) that had not been as clear before.
When it appeared GGTF might have the ability to change some of these behaviors, it was forced to Arbitration by those who wanted to make sure those behaviors would not be challenged.
Arbitrators made it clear that a few female temper tandrums regarding things like organized and repeated BLP violations or repeated harassment over a number of years will not to be tolerated and would be punished with the ultimate sanction. (Unless of course one takes the trumped up and even fabricated accusations of two editors who have been harassing me long term, one most definitely a sock puppet, seriously!)
And they made it clear that systemic bad male behavior to forward various agendas -- if supported by enough editors willing to have a fit, quit, stack discussions with their supporters, vote out arbitrators, etc. in an organized fashion -- would result in only a smack on the wrists.
I think a lot of women quit Wikipedia after the first couple snide and critical comments because they sense that that sort of sexist double standard pervades Wikipedia. I'm annoyed with myself I put up with it as long as I did.
CM