-----Original Message----- From: Nathan Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:13 PM To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Am I crazy? I question whether "college dating" deserves an article to begin with. If it does, which the text of the article doesn't at all establish, the current article has a pretty fatal case of systemic bias. On the surface I tend to agree, but then I read the AfD:

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If you really want some entertainment, you should try reading the "dating" article. It includes such mind-blowing revelations as: * Teenagers and tweens have been described as dating. * There are reports that guys are asking out girls for dates by text messaging. * When young people are in school, they have a lot of access to people their own age, and don't need tools such as online websites or dating services. And of course lots of great gender stereotypes like: * During much of human history... women "connived to trade beauty and sex for affluence and status". * Educated women in many countries including Italy and Russia and the United States often find it difficult to have a career as well as raise a family; many delay finding a mate and having children and wonder if they're too accomplished that they won't be as appealing to men. It also includes lots of random advice like: * dating at a movie is advisable only if followed by a drink afterwards. * men are attracted to 'curls', 'ribbons', 'bright colors', and women should 'avoid sarcasm.' * Women can use 'pseudo-infantile motions such as the head-cock' and gaze intensely with widened eyes and laugh often, touch, and move in ways to emphasize their body's roundness, such as shrugging their shoulders or sit hugging their knees, to mimic buttock imagery. I swear this stuff is in the article. I couldn't make this up! And to illustrate the "Dating worldwide" section, they use the painting "The Rape Of The Sabines: The Abduction" which shows a guy with a sword carrying off a scantily clad damsel in distress. I guess our editors have some unique ideas on dating etiquette. Ryan Kaldari On 10/24/11 6:00 PM, Gillian White wrote: Apart from any content problems, the article had no context. It was not linked to what should be regarded as its parents. And that lack of coherence, combined with its specific terminology made it largely incomprehensible to people unfamiliar with American educational systems, aside from its social practices. For example, it is by no means universal that students live in residential colleges while attending university. I had a go at giving it some context so readers can go from one article to the next (specifically, from "courtship" to "dating" to "college dating") but I agree that it would be better if it was renamed, as the issues that are distinctive to dating in college/university could then be developed. Gillian On 25 October 2011 06:11, Sue Gardner <sgardner(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: > Yeah, personally I think the subject is notable. There has been tons > of academic research and popular history written about the history of > dating, college dating, the invention of the 'teenager,' etc. Even > just within the United States. > > I think I did a radio series on this once -- IIRC, Beth Bailey was a > really great source. She wrote this fascinating book: > > http://www.amazon.com/Front-Porch-Back-Seat-Twentieth-Century/dp/0801839351 > . > Susan J. Douglas was good too, as well as Stephanie Coontz and Barbara > Ehrenreich. They are all American, though. Lots has been written about > the UK too, but I'm not sure about other cultures/countries. > > Thanks, > Sue > > > -- > Sue Gardner > Executive Director > Wikimedia Foundation > > 415 839 6885 office > 415 816 9967 cell > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in > the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! > > http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate > > > > On 24 October 2011 11:16, Daniel and Elizabeth Case > <dancase(a)frontiernet.net> wrote: > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nathan > > Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:13 PM > > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects > > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Am I crazy? > > > > I question whether "college dating" deserves an article to begin > with. > > If it does, which the text of the article doesn't at all establish, > > the current article has a pretty fatal case of systemic bias. > > > > > > On the surface I tend to agree, but then I read the AfD: > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/College_dating > > > > Daniel Case > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing listGendergap@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap