http://suegardner.org/2011/09/28/on-editorial-judgment-and-empathy/
A lot of things I think about, and I'm sure a lot of other people here think about.
I'm sure this blog won't be well received on other WMF-related mailing lists, but, I have to admit - for me - I feel like she's speaking for me.
I don't want to be a censor, I just want people to have common sense, good judgement, customer service and logic. And when people call *me* a censor, it's just as offensive as the other names I've been called.
I have beencalled a prude, bitch, agitator, bore, conservative, censor, "anti-woman"... someone with an agenda...etc. I can only thank you Sue for speaking on behalf of me - when I clumsily try to express myself on Foundation-L and fear being shot-down and having my "Wiki" self-esteem torn down.....I just feel like "giving up."
Thanks. And I promise everyone, some of us are working towards this, and working towards a change and a towards a conversation that is adult, logical and respectful.
<3
-Sarah
Thanks for the link Sarah. It's an outstanding post by Sue, and a courageous one, too. Andreas
--- On Thu, 29/9/11, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com wrote:
From: Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com Subject: [Gendergap] Sue's new blog To: "Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects" gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Thursday, 29 September, 2011, 7:47
http://suegardner.org/2011/09/28/on-editorial-judgment-and-empathy/
A lot of things I think about, and I'm sure a lot of other people here think about.
I'm sure this blog won't be well received on other WMF-related mailing lists, but, I have to admit - for me - I feel like she's speaking for me.
I don't want to be a censor, I just want people to have common sense, good judgement, customer service and logic. And when people call me a censor, it's just as offensive as the other names I've been called.
I have beencalled a prude, bitch, agitator, bore, conservative, censor, "anti-woman"... someone with an agenda...etc. I can only thank you Sue for speaking on behalf of me - when I clumsily try to express myself on Foundation-L and fear being shot-down and having my "Wiki" self-esteem torn down.....I just feel like "giving up."
Thanks. And I promise everyone, some of us are working towards this, and working towards a change and a towards a conversation that is adult, logical and respectful.
<3
-Sarah
I normally hate +1s, but I would like to echo this. Really exceptionally well crafted, and even for people following it's a very good writeup. Thank you, Sue.
~A
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 09:36, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@yahoo.com wrote:
Thanks for the link Sarah. It's an outstanding post by Sue, and a courageous one, too.
Andreas
--- On *Thu, 29/9/11, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com* wrote:
From: Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com Subject: [Gendergap] Sue's new blog To: "Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects" < gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> Date: Thursday, 29 September, 2011, 7:47
http://suegardner.org/2011/09/28/on-editorial-judgment-and-empathy/
A lot of things I think about, and I'm sure a lot of other people here think about.
I'm sure this blog won't be well received on other WMF-related mailing lists, but, I have to admit - for me - I feel like she's speaking for me.
I don't want to be a censor, I just want people to have common sense, good judgement, customer service and logic. And when people call *me* a censor, it's just as offensive as the other names I've been called.
I have beencalled a prude, bitch, agitator, bore, conservative, censor, "anti-woman"... someone with an agenda...etc. I can only thank you Sue for speaking on behalf of me - when I clumsily try to express myself on Foundation-L and fear being shot-down and having my "Wiki" self-esteem torn down.....I just feel like "giving up."
Thanks. And I promise everyone, some of us are working towards this, and working towards a change and a towards a conversation that is adult, logical and respectful.
<3
-Sarah
-- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia http://www.glamwiki.org Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Arthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch and Sarah Stierch Consulting
*Historical, cultural & artistic research & advising.*
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Can I nominate Sue for the Executive Director's Barnstar? :)
Kaldari
On 9/29/11 4:06 PM, Amory wrote:
I normally hate +1s, but I would like to echo this. Really exceptionally well crafted, and even for people following it's a very good writeup. Thank you, Sue.
~A
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 09:36, Andreas Kolbe <jayen466@yahoo.com mailto:jayen466@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thanks for the link Sarah. It's an outstanding post by Sue, and a courageous one, too. Andreas --- On *Thu, 29/9/11, Sarah Stierch /<sarah.stierch@gmail.com <mailto:sarah.stierch@gmail.com>>/* wrote: From: Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch@gmail.com <mailto:sarah.stierch@gmail.com>> Subject: [Gendergap] Sue's new blog To: "Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects" <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org>> Date: Thursday, 29 September, 2011, 7:47 http://suegardner.org/2011/09/28/on-editorial-judgment-and-empathy/ A lot of things I think about, and I'm sure a lot of other people here think about. I'm sure this blog won't be well received on other WMF-related mailing lists, but, I have to admit - for me - I feel like she's speaking for me. I don't want to be a censor, I just want people to have common sense, good judgement, customer service and logic. And when people call /me/ a censor, it's just as offensive as the other names I've been called. I have beencalled a prude, bitch, agitator, bore, conservative, censor, "anti-woman"... someone with an agenda...etc. I can only thank you Sue for speaking on behalf of me - when I clumsily try to express myself on Foundation-L and fear being shot-down and having my "Wiki" self-esteem torn down.....I just feel like "giving up." Thanks. And I promise everyone, some of us are working towards this, and working towards a change and a towards a conversation that is adult, logical and respectful. <3 -Sarah -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia <http://www.glamwiki.org> Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Art <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch> and Sarah Stierch Consulting /Historical, cultural & artistic research & advising./ ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.sarahstierch.com/ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <http://mc/compose?to=Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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+1
Do we have a "Mind the Gap" Gender Gap barnstar yet? :)
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.orgwrote:
** Can I nominate Sue for the Executive Director's Barnstar? :)
Kaldari
On 9/29/11 4:06 PM, Amory wrote:
I normally hate +1s, but I would like to echo this. Really exceptionally well crafted, and even for people following it's a very good writeup. Thank you, Sue.
~A
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 09:36, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@yahoo.com wrote:
Thanks for the link Sarah. It's an outstanding post by Sue, and a courageous one, too.
Andreas
--- On *Thu, 29/9/11, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com* wrote:
From: Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com Subject: [Gendergap] Sue's new blog To: "Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects" < gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> Date: Thursday, 29 September, 2011, 7:47
http://suegardner.org/2011/09/28/on-editorial-judgment-and-empathy/
A lot of things I think about, and I'm sure a lot of other people here think about.
I'm sure this blog won't be well received on other WMF-related mailing lists, but, I have to admit - for me - I feel like she's speaking for me.
I don't want to be a censor, I just want people to have common sense, good judgement, customer service and logic. And when people call *me* a censor, it's just as offensive as the other names I've been called.
I have beencalled a prude, bitch, agitator, bore, conservative, censor, "anti-woman"... someone with an agenda...etc. I can only thank you Sue for speaking on behalf of me - when I clumsily try to express myself on Foundation-L and fear being shot-down and having my "Wiki" self-esteem torn down.....I just feel like "giving up."
Thanks. And I promise everyone, some of us are working towards this, and working towards a change and a towards a conversation that is adult, logical and respectful.
<3
-Sarah
-- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia http://www.glamwiki.org Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Arthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch and Sarah Stierch Consulting
*Historical, cultural & artistic research & advising.*
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+1
Alolita
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.comwrote:
+1
Do we have a "Mind the Gap" Gender Gap barnstar yet? :)
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.orgwrote:
** Can I nominate Sue for the Executive Director's Barnstar? :)
Kaldari
On 9/29/11 4:06 PM, Amory wrote:
I normally hate +1s, but I would like to echo this. Really exceptionally well crafted, and even for people following it's a very good writeup. Thank you, Sue.
~A
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 09:36, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@yahoo.com wrote:
Thanks for the link Sarah. It's an outstanding post by Sue, and a courageous one, too.
Andreas
--- On *Thu, 29/9/11, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com* wrote:
From: Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com Subject: [Gendergap] Sue's new blog To: "Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects" < gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> Date: Thursday, 29 September, 2011, 7:47
http://suegardner.org/2011/09/28/on-editorial-judgment-and-empathy/
A lot of things I think about, and I'm sure a lot of other people here think about.
I'm sure this blog won't be well received on other WMF-related mailing lists, but, I have to admit - for me - I feel like she's speaking for me.
I don't want to be a censor, I just want people to have common sense, good judgement, customer service and logic. And when people call *me* a censor, it's just as offensive as the other names I've been called.
I have beencalled a prude, bitch, agitator, bore, conservative, censor, "anti-woman"... someone with an agenda...etc. I can only thank you Sue for speaking on behalf of me - when I clumsily try to express myself on Foundation-L and fear being shot-down and having my "Wiki" self-esteem torn down.....I just feel like "giving up."
Thanks. And I promise everyone, some of us are working towards this, and working towards a change and a towards a conversation that is adult, logical and respectful.
<3
-Sarah
-- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia http://www.glamwiki.org Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Arthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch and Sarah Stierch Consulting
*Historical, cultural & artistic research & advising.*
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On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.comwrote:
+1
Do we have a "Mind the Gap" Gender Gap barnstar yet? :)
This is a really cool barnstar idea! Any graphic geniuses who can do this?
pb
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FYI: "Mind the Gap" is an ancient(?) achievement in a couple video games about skateboarding.
On 9/29/11 11:33 PM, Philippe Beaudette wrote:
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch@gmail.com mailto:sarah.stierch@gmail.com> wrote:
+1 Do we have a "Mind the Gap" Gender Gap barnstar yet? :)This is a really cool barnstar idea! Any graphic geniuses who can do this?
pb
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ehhh, sorry for be the different, but you people are reading the thread about that same blog post in Foundation-l ? The opinions there seems to be quite different than yours. _____ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*
On 30 September 2011 00:09, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org wrote:
** Can I nominate Sue for the Executive Director's Barnstar? :)
Kaldari
On 9/29/11 4:06 PM, Amory wrote:
I normally hate +1s, but I would like to echo this. Really exceptionally well crafted, and even for people following it's a very good writeup. Thank you, Sue.
~A
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 09:36, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@yahoo.com wrote:
Thanks for the link Sarah. It's an outstanding post by Sue, and a courageous one, too.
Andreas
--- On *Thu, 29/9/11, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com* wrote:
From: Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com Subject: [Gendergap] Sue's new blog To: "Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects" < gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> Date: Thursday, 29 September, 2011, 7:47
http://suegardner.org/2011/09/28/on-editorial-judgment-and-empathy/
A lot of things I think about, and I'm sure a lot of other people here think about.
I'm sure this blog won't be well received on other WMF-related mailing lists, but, I have to admit - for me - I feel like she's speaking for me.
I don't want to be a censor, I just want people to have common sense, good judgement, customer service and logic. And when people call *me* a censor, it's just as offensive as the other names I've been called.
I have beencalled a prude, bitch, agitator, bore, conservative, censor, "anti-woman"... someone with an agenda...etc. I can only thank you Sue for speaking on behalf of me - when I clumsily try to express myself on Foundation-L and fear being shot-down and having my "Wiki" self-esteem torn down.....I just feel like "giving up."
Thanks. And I promise everyone, some of us are working towards this, and working towards a change and a towards a conversation that is adult, logical and respectful.
<3
-Sarah
-- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia http://www.glamwiki.org Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Arthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch and Sarah Stierch Consulting
*Historical, cultural & artistic research & advising.*
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I'm sure there are some people on this mailing list who also disagree as well! We try to provide a safe haven for discussion about sensitive topics.
But, if any of us spoke up on Foundation-L we'd be risking getting torn up by often heavily opinionated Foundation-L subscribers, and it gets really tiring :( It is also nice to have a change in opinion - for those who dislike the post, there are also many of that support it. Thanks for bringing up that a different type of conversation is taking place on Foundation-L! I've been following it.
-Sarah
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Béria Lima beria.lima@wikimedia.pt wrote:
ehhh, sorry for be the different, but you people are reading the thread about that same blog post in Foundation-l ? The opinions there seems to be quite different than yours. _____ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*
On 30 September 2011 00:09, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org wrote:
** Can I nominate Sue for the Executive Director's Barnstar? :)
Kaldari
On 9/29/11 4:06 PM, Amory wrote:
I normally hate +1s, but I would like to echo this. Really exceptionally well crafted, and even for people following it's a very good writeup. Thank you, Sue.
~A
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 09:36, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@yahoo.com wrote:
Thanks for the link Sarah. It's an outstanding post by Sue, and a courageous one, too.
Andreas
--- On *Thu, 29/9/11, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com* wrote:
From: Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com Subject: [Gendergap] Sue's new blog To: "Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects" < gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> Date: Thursday, 29 September, 2011, 7:47
http://suegardner.org/2011/09/28/on-editorial-judgment-and-empathy/
A lot of things I think about, and I'm sure a lot of other people here think about.
I'm sure this blog won't be well received on other WMF-related mailing lists, but, I have to admit - for me - I feel like she's speaking for me.
I don't want to be a censor, I just want people to have common sense, good judgement, customer service and logic. And when people call *me* a censor, it's just as offensive as the other names I've been called.
I have beencalled a prude, bitch, agitator, bore, conservative, censor, "anti-woman"... someone with an agenda...etc. I can only thank you Sue for speaking on behalf of me - when I clumsily try to express myself on Foundation-L and fear being shot-down and having my "Wiki" self-esteem torn down.....I just feel like "giving up."
Thanks. And I promise everyone, some of us are working towards this, and working towards a change and a towards a conversation that is adult, logical and respectful.
<3
-Sarah
-- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia http://www.glamwiki.org Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Arthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch and Sarah Stierch Consulting
*Historical, cultural & artistic research & advising.*
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I think it works both ways: There you might get stomped on by people who disagree with the lies Sue told in the post, and here I will be stomp up for even mentioned that she did lied in that blog post.
Safe environment do not exist in this case. Is safeR for supports to come here, and safeR for opposers to go there. That does not make any list safe, only shows that the POV here is different than the POV there. _____ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*
On 30 September 2011 00:25, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com wrote:
I'm sure there are some people on this mailing list who also disagree as well! We try to provide a safe haven for discussion about sensitive topics.
But, if any of us spoke up on Foundation-L we'd be risking getting torn up by often heavily opinionated Foundation-L subscribers, and it gets really tiring :( It is also nice to have a change in opinion - for those who dislike the post, there are also many of that support it. Thanks for bringing up that a different type of conversation is taking place on Foundation-L! I've been following it.
-Sarah
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Béria Lima beria.lima@wikimedia.ptwrote:
ehhh, sorry for be the different, but you people are reading the thread about that same blog post in Foundation-l ? The opinions there seems to be quite different than yours. _____ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*
On 30 September 2011 00:09, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org wrote:
** Can I nominate Sue for the Executive Director's Barnstar? :)
Kaldari
On 9/29/11 4:06 PM, Amory wrote:
I normally hate +1s, but I would like to echo this. Really exceptionally well crafted, and even for people following it's a very good writeup. Thank you, Sue.
~A
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 09:36, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@yahoo.com wrote:
Thanks for the link Sarah. It's an outstanding post by Sue, and a courageous one, too.
Andreas
--- On *Thu, 29/9/11, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com* wrote:
From: Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com Subject: [Gendergap] Sue's new blog To: "Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects" < gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> Date: Thursday, 29 September, 2011, 7:47
http://suegardner.org/2011/09/28/on-editorial-judgment-and-empathy/
A lot of things I think about, and I'm sure a lot of other people here think about.
I'm sure this blog won't be well received on other WMF-related mailing lists, but, I have to admit - for me - I feel like she's speaking for me.
I don't want to be a censor, I just want people to have common sense, good judgement, customer service and logic. And when people call *me* a censor, it's just as offensive as the other names I've been called.
I have beencalled a prude, bitch, agitator, bore, conservative, censor, "anti-woman"... someone with an agenda...etc. I can only thank you Sue for speaking on behalf of me - when I clumsily try to express myself on Foundation-L and fear being shot-down and having my "Wiki" self-esteem torn down.....I just feel like "giving up."
Thanks. And I promise everyone, some of us are working towards this, and working towards a change and a towards a conversation that is adult, logical and respectful.
<3
-Sarah
-- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia http://www.glamwiki.org Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Arthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch and Sarah Stierch Consulting
*Historical, cultural & artistic research & advising.*
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Would you like to elaborate?
Ryan Kaldari
On 9/29/11 4:35 PM, Béria Lima wrote:
I think it works both ways: There you might get stomped on by people who disagree with the lies Sue told in the post, and here I will be stomp up for even mentioned that she did lied in that blog post.
Safe environment do not exist in this case. Is safeR for supports to come here, and safeR for opposers to go there. That does not make any list safe, only shows that the POV here is different than the POV there. _____ /Béria Lima/ Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042
/Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer./
On 30 September 2011 00:25, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch@gmail.com mailto:sarah.stierch@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm sure there are some people on this mailing list who also disagree as well! We try to provide a safe haven for discussion about sensitive topics. But, if any of us spoke up on Foundation-L we'd be risking getting torn up by often heavily opinionated Foundation-L subscribers, and it gets really tiring :( It is also nice to have a change in opinion - for those who dislike the post, there are also many of that support it. Thanks for bringing up that a different type of conversation is taking place on Foundation-L! I've been following it. -Sarah On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Béria Lima <beria.lima@wikimedia.pt <mailto:beria.lima@wikimedia.pt>> wrote: ehhh, sorry for be the different, but you people are reading the thread about that same blog post in Foundation-l ? The opinions there seems to be quite different than yours. _____ /Béria Lima/ Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt> (351) 963 953 042 /Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer./ On 30 September 2011 00:09, Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari@wikimedia.org <mailto:rkaldari@wikimedia.org>> wrote: Can I nominate Sue for the Executive Director's Barnstar? :) Kaldari On 9/29/11 4:06 PM, Amory wrote:I normally hate +1s, but I would like to echo this. Really exceptionally well crafted, and even for people following it's a very good writeup. Thank you, Sue. ~A On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 09:36, Andreas Kolbe <jayen466@yahoo.com <mailto:jayen466@yahoo.com>> wrote: Thanks for the link Sarah. It's an outstanding post by Sue, and a courageous one, too. Andreas --- On *Thu, 29/9/11, Sarah Stierch /<sarah.stierch@gmail.com <mailto:sarah.stierch@gmail.com>>/* wrote: From: Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch@gmail.com <mailto:sarah.stierch@gmail.com>> Subject: [Gendergap] Sue's new blog To: "Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects" <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org>> Date: Thursday, 29 September, 2011, 7:47 http://suegardner.org/2011/09/28/on-editorial-judgment-and-empathy/ A lot of things I think about, and I'm sure a lot of other people here think about. I'm sure this blog won't be well received on other WMF-related mailing lists, but, I have to admit - for me - I feel like she's speaking for me. I don't want to be a censor, I just want people to have common sense, good judgement, customer service and logic. And when people call /me/ a censor, it's just as offensive as the other names I've been called. I have beencalled a prude, bitch, agitator, bore, conservative, censor, "anti-woman"... someone with an agenda...etc. I can only thank you Sue for speaking on behalf of me - when I clumsily try to express myself on Foundation-L and fear being shot-down and having my "Wiki" self-esteem torn down.....I just feel like "giving up." Thanks. And I promise everyone, some of us are working towards this, and working towards a change and a towards a conversation that is adult, logical and respectful. <3 -Sarah -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia <http://www.glamwiki.org> Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Art <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch> and Sarah Stierch Consulting /Historical, cultural & artistic research & advising./ ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.sarahstierch.com/ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <http://mc/compose?to=Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap_______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia <http://www.glamwiki.org> Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Art <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch> and Sarah Stierch Consulting /Historical, cultural & artistic research & advising./ ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.sarahstierch.com/ _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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On 30 September 2011 00:37, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org wrote:
** Would you like to elaborate?
Ryan Kaldari
On 9/29/11 4:35 PM, Béria Lima wrote:
I think it works both ways: There you might get stomped on by people who disagree with the lies Sue told in the post, and here I will be stomp up for even mentioned that she did lied in that blog post.
Safe environment do not exist in this case. Is safeR for supports to come here, and safeR for opposers to go there. That does not make any list safe, only shows that the POV here is different than the POV there. _____ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*
On 30 September 2011 00:25, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com wrote:
I'm sure there are some people on this mailing list who also disagree as well! We try to provide a safe haven for discussion about sensitive topics.
But, if any of us spoke up on Foundation-L we'd be risking getting torn up by often heavily opinionated Foundation-L subscribers, and it gets really tiring :( It is also nice to have a change in opinion - for those who dislike the post, there are also many of that support it. Thanks for bringing up that a different type of conversation is taking place on Foundation-L! I've been following it.
-Sarah
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Béria Lima beria.lima@wikimedia.ptwrote:
ehhh, sorry for be the different, but you people are reading the thread about that same blog post in Foundation-l ? The opinions there seems to be quite different than yours. _____ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*
On 30 September 2011 00:09, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org wrote:
Can I nominate Sue for the Executive Director's Barnstar? :)
Kaldari
On 9/29/11 4:06 PM, Amory wrote:
I normally hate +1s, but I would like to echo this. Really exceptionally well crafted, and even for people following it's a very good writeup. Thank you, Sue.
~A
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 09:36, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@yahoo.comwrote:
Thanks for the link Sarah. It's an outstanding post by Sue, and a courageous one, too.
Andreas
--- On *Thu, 29/9/11, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com* wrote:
From: Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com Subject: [Gendergap] Sue's new blog To: "Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects" < gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> Date: Thursday, 29 September, 2011, 7:47
http://suegardner.org/2011/09/28/on-editorial-judgment-and-empathy/
A lot of things I think about, and I'm sure a lot of other people here think about.
I'm sure this blog won't be well received on other WMF-related mailing lists, but, I have to admit - for me - I feel like she's speaking for me.
I don't want to be a censor, I just want people to have common sense, good judgement, customer service and logic. And when people call *me*a censor, it's just as offensive as the other names I've been called.
I have beencalled a prude, bitch, agitator, bore, conservative, censor, "anti-woman"... someone with an agenda...etc. I can only thank you Sue for speaking on behalf of me - when I clumsily try to express myself on Foundation-L and fear being shot-down and having my "Wiki" self-esteem torn down.....I just feel like "giving up."
Thanks. And I promise everyone, some of us are working towards this, and working towards a change and a towards a conversation that is adult, logical and respectful.
<3
-Sarah
-- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimediahttp://www.glamwiki.org Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Arthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch and Sarah Stierch Consulting
*Historical, cultural & artistic research & advising.*
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Well, at least this confirms that there are a 14 photos of dudes getting their *own* rocks off on Commons! Thank god! (Oh...speaking of permissions...)
You also have to scroll down a bit in Google search before you come across the article after searching "sucking your own cock". The fact that the search finds that page based on one of my favorite films, Clerks, is rather funny.
Wait, where is Sue a liar?
-Sarah
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:49 AM, Béria Lima beria.lima@wikimedia.pt wrote:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-September/069078.html _____ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*
On 30 September 2011 00:37, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org wrote:
** Would you like to elaborate?
Ryan Kaldari
On 9/29/11 4:35 PM, Béria Lima wrote:
I think it works both ways: There you might get stomped on by people who disagree with the lies Sue told in the post, and here I will be stomp up for even mentioned that she did lied in that blog post.
Safe environment do not exist in this case. Is safeR for supports to come here, and safeR for opposers to go there. That does not make any list safe, only shows that the POV here is different than the POV there. _____ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*
On 30 September 2011 00:25, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.comwrote:
I'm sure there are some people on this mailing list who also disagree as well! We try to provide a safe haven for discussion about sensitive topics.
But, if any of us spoke up on Foundation-L we'd be risking getting torn up by often heavily opinionated Foundation-L subscribers, and it gets really tiring :( It is also nice to have a change in opinion - for those who dislike the post, there are also many of that support it. Thanks for bringing up that a different type of conversation is taking place on Foundation-L! I've been following it.
-Sarah
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Béria Lima beria.lima@wikimedia.ptwrote:
ehhh, sorry for be the different, but you people are reading the thread about that same blog post in Foundation-l ? The opinions there seems to be quite different than yours. _____ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*
On 30 September 2011 00:09, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.orgwrote:
Can I nominate Sue for the Executive Director's Barnstar? :)
Kaldari
On 9/29/11 4:06 PM, Amory wrote:
I normally hate +1s, but I would like to echo this. Really exceptionally well crafted, and even for people following it's a very good writeup. Thank you, Sue.
~A
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 09:36, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@yahoo.comwrote:
Thanks for the link Sarah. It's an outstanding post by Sue, and a courageous one, too.
Andreas
--- On *Thu, 29/9/11, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com* wrote:
From: Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com Subject: [Gendergap] Sue's new blog To: "Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects" < gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> Date: Thursday, 29 September, 2011, 7:47
http://suegardner.org/2011/09/28/on-editorial-judgment-and-empathy/
A lot of things I think about, and I'm sure a lot of other people here think about.
I'm sure this blog won't be well received on other WMF-related mailing lists, but, I have to admit - for me - I feel like she's speaking for me.
I don't want to be a censor, I just want people to have common sense, good judgement, customer service and logic. And when people call *me*a censor, it's just as offensive as the other names I've been called.
I have beencalled a prude, bitch, agitator, bore, conservative, censor, "anti-woman"... someone with an agenda...etc. I can only thank you Sue for speaking on behalf of me - when I clumsily try to express myself on Foundation-L and fear being shot-down and having my "Wiki" self-esteem torn down.....I just feel like "giving up."
Thanks. And I promise everyone, some of us are working towards this, and working towards a change and a towards a conversation that is adult, logical and respectful.
<3
-Sarah
-- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimediahttp://www.glamwiki.org Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Arthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch and Sarah Stierch Consulting
*Historical, cultural & artistic research & advising.*
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*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*
On 30 September 2011 14:27, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com wrote:
Well, at least this confirms that there are a 14 photos of dudes getting their *own* rocks off on Commons! Thank god! (Oh...speaking of permissions...)
You also have to scroll down a bit in Google search before you come across the article after searching "sucking your own cock". The fact that the search finds that page based on one of my favorite films, Clerks, is rather funny.
Wait, where is Sue a liar?
-Sarah
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:49 AM, Béria Lima beria.lima@wikimedia.ptwrote:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-September/069078.html _____ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*
On 30 September 2011 00:37, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org wrote:
** Would you like to elaborate?
Ryan Kaldari
On 9/29/11 4:35 PM, Béria Lima wrote:
I think it works both ways: There you might get stomped on by people who disagree with the lies Sue told in the post, and here I will be stomp up for even mentioned that she did lied in that blog post.
Safe environment do not exist in this case. Is safeR for supports to come here, and safeR for opposers to go there. That does not make any list safe, only shows that the POV here is different than the POV there. _____ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*
On 30 September 2011 00:25, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.comwrote:
I'm sure there are some people on this mailing list who also disagree as well! We try to provide a safe haven for discussion about sensitive topics.
But, if any of us spoke up on Foundation-L we'd be risking getting torn up by often heavily opinionated Foundation-L subscribers, and it gets really tiring :( It is also nice to have a change in opinion - for those who dislike the post, there are also many of that support it. Thanks for bringing up that a different type of conversation is taking place on Foundation-L! I've been following it.
-Sarah
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Béria Lima beria.lima@wikimedia.ptwrote:
ehhh, sorry for be the different, but you people are reading the thread about that same blog post in Foundation-l ? The opinions there seems to be quite different than yours. _____ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*
On 30 September 2011 00:09, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.orgwrote:
Can I nominate Sue for the Executive Director's Barnstar? :)
Kaldari
On 9/29/11 4:06 PM, Amory wrote:
I normally hate +1s, but I would like to echo this. Really exceptionally well crafted, and even for people following it's a very good writeup. Thank you, Sue.
~A
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 09:36, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@yahoo.comwrote:
> Thanks for the link Sarah. It's an outstanding post by Sue, and a > courageous one, too. > > Andreas > > > > > --- On *Thu, 29/9/11, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com*wrote: > > > From: Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com > Subject: [Gendergap] Sue's new blog > To: "Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects" < > gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > Date: Thursday, 29 September, 2011, 7:47 > > > http://suegardner.org/2011/09/28/on-editorial-judgment-and-empathy/ > > > A lot of things I think about, and I'm sure a lot of other people > here think about. > > I'm sure this blog won't be well received on other WMF-related > mailing lists, but, I have to admit - for me - I feel like she's speaking > for me. > > I don't want to be a censor, I just want people to have common sense, > good judgement, customer service and logic. And when people call *me > * a censor, it's just as offensive as the other names I've been > called. > > I have beencalled a prude, bitch, agitator, bore, conservative, > censor, "anti-woman"... someone with an agenda...etc. I can only thank you > Sue for speaking on behalf of me - when I clumsily try to express myself on > Foundation-L and fear being shot-down and having my "Wiki" self-esteem torn > down.....I just feel like "giving up." > > Thanks. And I promise everyone, some of us are working towards this, > and working towards a change and a towards a conversation that is adult, > logical and respectful. > > <3 > > -Sarah > > > > -- > GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimediahttp://www.glamwiki.org > Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Arthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch > and > Sarah Stierch Consulting > *Historical, cultural & artistic research & advising.* > ------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.sarahstierch.com/ > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.orghttp://mc/compose?to=Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >
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Beria - I presume you're asking me?
You shared a post "replying" to Kaldari asking you to explain you think Sue Gardner is a liar.
And The only thing I got out of it is that we have a collection of photographs of men sucking their own penises on Commons. I was also testing Google - they say that a large amount of visitors read that page a month, and surely most of them probably don't search for "auto-fellatio" when looking for that content of men pleasuring themselves. So, I googled "sucking my own cock" since I presume a lot of men Google that content when trying to figure out how to do so, what it looks like, etc.
When I was in high school boys used to joke about being able to do it. This was before Google existed. So I was just using past experiences to see how someone would stumble across the "auto-fellatio" page without typing "auto-fellatio".
Other than that, I never figured out why you think Sue Gardner is a liar.
I'm laughing that I just re-explained that, heh, but I hope it helps,
-Sarah
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 4:46 AM, Béria Lima beria.lima@wikimedia.pt wrote:
I'm sorry but whatever you took before write that mail I didn't, therefore, I didn't understand a word. Can you explain yourself? _____ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*
On 30 September 2011 14:27, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com wrote:
Well, at least this confirms that there are a 14 photos of dudes getting their *own* rocks off on Commons! Thank god! (Oh...speaking of permissions...)
You also have to scroll down a bit in Google search before you come across the article after searching "sucking your own cock". The fact that the search finds that page based on one of my favorite films, Clerks, is rather funny.
Wait, where is Sue a liar?
-Sarah
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:49 AM, Béria Lima beria.lima@wikimedia.ptwrote:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-September/069078.html _____ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*
On 30 September 2011 00:37, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org wrote:
** Would you like to elaborate?
Ryan Kaldari
On 9/29/11 4:35 PM, Béria Lima wrote:
I think it works both ways: There you might get stomped on by people who disagree with the lies Sue told in the post, and here I will be stomp up for even mentioned that she did lied in that blog post.
Safe environment do not exist in this case. Is safeR for supports to come here, and safeR for opposers to go there. That does not make any list safe, only shows that the POV here is different than the POV there. _____ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*
On 30 September 2011 00:25, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.comwrote:
I'm sure there are some people on this mailing list who also disagree as well! We try to provide a safe haven for discussion about sensitive topics.
But, if any of us spoke up on Foundation-L we'd be risking getting torn up by often heavily opinionated Foundation-L subscribers, and it gets really tiring :( It is also nice to have a change in opinion - for those who dislike the post, there are also many of that support it. Thanks for bringing up that a different type of conversation is taking place on Foundation-L! I've been following it.
-Sarah
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Béria Lima beria.lima@wikimedia.ptwrote:
ehhh, sorry for be the different, but you people are reading the thread about that same blog post in Foundation-l ? The opinions there seems to be quite different than yours. _____ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042
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On 30 September 2011 00:09, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.orgwrote:
> Can I nominate Sue for the Executive Director's Barnstar? :) > > Kaldari > > > On 9/29/11 4:06 PM, Amory wrote: > > I normally hate +1s, but I would like to echo this. Really > exceptionally well crafted, and even for people following it's a very good > writeup. Thank you, Sue. > > ~A > > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 09:36, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@yahoo.comwrote: > >> Thanks for the link Sarah. It's an outstanding post by Sue, and a >> courageous one, too. >> >> Andreas >> >> >> >> >> --- On *Thu, 29/9/11, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com*wrote: >> >> >> From: Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com >> Subject: [Gendergap] Sue's new blog >> To: "Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects" < >> gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> >> Date: Thursday, 29 September, 2011, 7:47 >> >> >> http://suegardner.org/2011/09/28/on-editorial-judgment-and-empathy/ >> >> >> A lot of things I think about, and I'm sure a lot of other people >> here think about. >> >> I'm sure this blog won't be well received on other WMF-related >> mailing lists, but, I have to admit - for me - I feel like she's speaking >> for me. >> >> I don't want to be a censor, I just want people to have common >> sense, good judgement, customer service and logic. And when people call >> *me* a censor, it's just as offensive as the other names I've been >> called. >> >> I have beencalled a prude, bitch, agitator, bore, conservative, >> censor, "anti-woman"... someone with an agenda...etc. I can only thank you >> Sue for speaking on behalf of me - when I clumsily try to express myself on >> Foundation-L and fear being shot-down and having my "Wiki" self-esteem torn >> down.....I just feel like "giving up." >> >> Thanks. And I promise everyone, some of us are working towards this, >> and working towards a change and a towards a conversation that is adult, >> logical and respectful. >> >> <3 >> >> -Sarah >> >> >> >> -- >> GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimediahttp://www.glamwiki.org >> Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Arthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch >> and >> Sarah Stierch Consulting >> *Historical, cultural & artistic research & advising.* >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> http://www.sarahstierch.com/ >> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.orghttp://mc/compose?to=Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing listGendergap@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >
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No, I shared a post with my opinion in the subject. Kaldari didn't asked me to explain why Sue is a liar, he asked me - And I quoting - "Would you like to elaborate?"
That can be read in many ways. I read as a ask for read my opinion, but you - apparently - read as a "prove" that Sue was lying.
And as for google, If you google "auto-felatio" "suck my own cock" "suck my dick" or whatever variation you can think of, you still knows exactly what you getting, so that does not annul my point, only proves it. _____ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042
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On 1 October 2011 16:24, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com wrote:
Beria - I presume you're asking me?
You shared a post "replying" to Kaldari asking you to explain you think Sue Gardner is a liar.
And The only thing I got out of it is that we have a collection of photographs of men sucking their own penises on Commons. I was also testing Google - they say that a large amount of visitors read that page a month, and surely most of them probably don't search for "auto-fellatio" when looking for that content of men pleasuring themselves. So, I googled "sucking my own cock" since I presume a lot of men Google that content when trying to figure out how to do so, what it looks like, etc.
When I was in high school boys used to joke about being able to do it. This was before Google existed. So I was just using past experiences to see how someone would stumble across the "auto-fellatio" page without typing "auto-fellatio".
Other than that, I never figured out why you think Sue Gardner is a liar.
I'm laughing that I just re-explained that, heh, but I hope it helps,
-Sarah
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 4:46 AM, Béria Lima beria.lima@wikimedia.ptwrote:
I'm sorry but whatever you took before write that mail I didn't, therefore, I didn't understand a word. Can you explain yourself? _____ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042
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On 30 September 2011 14:27, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.comwrote:
Well, at least this confirms that there are a 14 photos of dudes getting their *own* rocks off on Commons! Thank god! (Oh...speaking of permissions...)
You also have to scroll down a bit in Google search before you come across the article after searching "sucking your own cock". The fact that the search finds that page based on one of my favorite films, Clerks, is rather funny.
Wait, where is Sue a liar?
-Sarah
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:49 AM, Béria Lima beria.lima@wikimedia.ptwrote:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-September/069078.html _____ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042
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On 30 September 2011 00:37, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.orgwrote:
** Would you like to elaborate?
Ryan Kaldari
On 9/29/11 4:35 PM, Béria Lima wrote:
I think it works both ways: There you might get stomped on by people who disagree with the lies Sue told in the post, and here I will be stomp up for even mentioned that she did lied in that blog post.
Safe environment do not exist in this case. Is safeR for supports to come here, and safeR for opposers to go there. That does not make any list safe, only shows that the POV here is different than the POV there. _____ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042
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On 30 September 2011 00:25, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.comwrote:
I'm sure there are some people on this mailing list who also disagree as well! We try to provide a safe haven for discussion about sensitive topics.
But, if any of us spoke up on Foundation-L we'd be risking getting torn up by often heavily opinionated Foundation-L subscribers, and it gets really tiring :( It is also nice to have a change in opinion - for those who dislike the post, there are also many of that support it. Thanks for bringing up that a different type of conversation is taking place on Foundation-L! I've been following it.
-Sarah
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Béria Lima beria.lima@wikimedia.ptwrote:
> ehhh, sorry for be the different, but you people are reading the > thread about that same blog post in Foundation-l ? The opinions there seems > to be quite different than yours. > _____ > *Béria Lima* > Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt > (351) 963 953 042 > > *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de > ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que > estamos a fazer.* > > > > On 30 September 2011 00:09, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.orgwrote: > >> Can I nominate Sue for the Executive Director's Barnstar? :) >> >> Kaldari >> >> >> On 9/29/11 4:06 PM, Amory wrote: >> >> I normally hate +1s, but I would like to echo this. Really >> exceptionally well crafted, and even for people following it's a very good >> writeup. Thank you, Sue. >> >> ~A >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 09:36, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@yahoo.comwrote: >> >>> Thanks for the link Sarah. It's an outstanding post by Sue, and >>> a courageous one, too. >>> >>> Andreas >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- On *Thu, 29/9/11, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com*wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com >>> Subject: [Gendergap] Sue's new blog >>> To: "Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects" < >>> gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> >>> Date: Thursday, 29 September, 2011, 7:47 >>> >>> >>> http://suegardner.org/2011/09/28/on-editorial-judgment-and-empathy/ >>> >>> >>> A lot of things I think about, and I'm sure a lot of other people >>> here think about. >>> >>> I'm sure this blog won't be well received on other WMF-related >>> mailing lists, but, I have to admit - for me - I feel like she's speaking >>> for me. >>> >>> I don't want to be a censor, I just want people to have common >>> sense, good judgement, customer service and logic. And when people call >>> *me* a censor, it's just as offensive as the other names I've been >>> called. >>> >>> I have beencalled a prude, bitch, agitator, bore, conservative, >>> censor, "anti-woman"... someone with an agenda...etc. I can only thank you >>> Sue for speaking on behalf of me - when I clumsily try to express myself on >>> Foundation-L and fear being shot-down and having my "Wiki" self-esteem torn >>> down.....I just feel like "giving up." >>> >>> Thanks. And I promise everyone, some of us are working towards >>> this, and working towards a change and a towards a conversation that is >>> adult, logical and respectful. >>> >>> <3 >>> >>> -Sarah >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimediahttp://www.glamwiki.org >>> Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Arthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch >>> and >>> Sarah Stierch Consulting >>> *Historical, cultural & artistic research & advising.* >>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>> http://www.sarahstierch.com/ >>> >>> >>> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gendergap mailing list >>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.orghttp://mc/compose?to=Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gendergap mailing list >>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing listGendergap@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > >
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No, I shared a post with my opinion in the subject. Kaldari didn't asked me to explain why Sue is a liar, he asked me - And I quoting - "Would you like to elaborate?"
That can be read in many ways. I read as a ask for read my opinion, but you - apparently - read as a "prove" that Sue was lying.
And as for google, If you google "auto-felatio" "suck my own cock" "suck my dick" or whatever variation you can think of, you still knows exactly what you getting, so that does not annul my point, only proves it. _____ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*
On 1 October 2011 16:24, Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com wrote:
Beria - I presume you're asking me?
You shared a post "replying" to Kaldari asking you to explain you think Sue Gardner is a liar.
And The only thing I got out of it is that we have a collection of photographs of men sucking their own penises on Commons. I was also testing Google - they say that a large amount of visitors read that page a month, and surely most of them probably don't search for "auto-fellatio" when looking for that content of men pleasuring themselves. So, I googled "sucking my own cock" since I presume a lot of men Google that content when trying to figure out how to do so, what it looks like, etc.
When I was in high school boys used to joke about being able to do it. This was before Google existed. So I was just using past experiences to see how someone would stumble across the "auto-fellatio" page without typing "auto-fellatio".
Other than that, I never figured out why you think Sue Gardner is a liar.
I'm laughing that I just re-explained that, heh, but I hope it helps,
-Sarah
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Most of us don't have time to read through long email(s) and a long article trying to figure out what sentence or two someone claims is a lie. Not very useful to the discussion, not to mention civil.
On 9/30/2011 5:49 AM, Béria Lima wrote:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-September/069078.html _____ /Béria Lima/ Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042
/Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer./
On 30 September 2011 00:37, Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari@wikimedia.org mailto:rkaldari@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Would you like to elaborate? Ryan Kaldari On 9/29/11 4:35 PM, Béria Lima wrote:I think it works both ways: There you might get stomped on by people who disagree with the lies Sue told in the post, and here I will be stomp up for even mentioned that she did lied in that blog post. Safe environment do not exist in this case. Is safeR for supports to come here, and safeR for opposers to go there. That does not make any list safe, only shows that the POV here is different than the POV there. _____ /Béria Lima/ Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt> (351) 963 953 042 /Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer./
I'm sorry Carol, but Sue's post is 3 times bigger than my mail, and all of us read it.
Time is not the problem here. _____ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042
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On 1 October 2011 15:18, carolmooredc@verizon.net wrote:
Most of us don't have time to read through long email(s) and a long article trying to figure out what sentence or two someone claims is a lie. Not very useful to the discussion, not to mention civil.
On 9/30/2011 5:49 AM, Béria Lima wrote:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-September/069078.html _____ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042
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On 30 September 2011 00:37, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org wrote:
Would you like to elaborate?
Ryan Kaldari
On 9/29/11 4:35 PM, Béria Lima wrote:
I think it works both ways: There you might get stomped on by people who disagree with the lies Sue told in the post, and here I will be stomp up for even mentioned that she did lied in that blog post.
Safe environment do not exist in this case. Is safeR for supports to come here, and safeR for opposers to go there. That does not make any list safe, only shows that the POV here is different than the POV there. _____ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042
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