Would you like to elaborate?

Ryan Kaldari

On 9/29/11 4:35 PM, Béria Lima wrote:

I think it works both ways: There you might get stomped on by people who disagree with the lies Sue told in the post, and here I will be stomp up for even mentioned that she did lied in that blog post.

Safe environment do not exist in this case. Is safeR for supports to come here, and safeR for opposers to go there. That does not make any list safe, only shows that the POV here is different than the POV there.
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On 30 September 2011 00:25, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm sure there are some people on this mailing list who also disagree as well! We try to provide a safe haven for discussion about sensitive topics.

But, if any of us spoke up on Foundation-L we'd be risking getting torn up by often heavily opinionated Foundation-L subscribers, and it gets really tiring :( It is also nice to have a change in opinion - for those who dislike the post, there are also many of that support it. Thanks for bringing up that a different type of conversation is taking place on Foundation-L! I've been following it.

-Sarah

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Béria Lima <beria.lima@wikimedia.pt> wrote:

ehhh, sorry for be the different, but you people are reading the thread about that same blog post in Foundation-l ? The opinions there seems to be quite different than yours.
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On 30 September 2011 00:09, Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari@wikimedia.org> wrote:

Can I nominate Sue for the Executive Director's Barnstar? :)

Kaldari

On 9/29/11 4:06 PM, Amory wrote:

I normally hate +1s, but I would like to echo this.  Really exceptionally well crafted, and even for people following it's a very good writeup.  Thank you, Sue.

~A

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 09:36, Andreas Kolbe <jayen466@yahoo.com> wrote:

Thanks for the link Sarah. It's an outstanding post by Sue, and a courageous one, too. Andreas --- On Thu, 29/9/11, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch@gmail.com> wrote: From: Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch@gmail.com> Subject: [Gendergap] Sue's new blog To: "Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects" <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> Date: Thursday, 29 September, 2011, 7:47 http://suegardner.org/2011/09/28/on-editorial-judgment-and-empathy/ A lot of things I think about, and I'm sure a lot of other people here think about. I'm sure this blog won't be well received on other WMF-related mailing lists, but, I have to admit - for me - I feel like she's speaking for me. I don't want to be a censor, I just want people to have common sense, good judgement, customer service and logic. And when people call me a censor, it's just as offensive as the other names I've been called. I have beencalled a prude, bitch, agitator, bore, conservative, censor, "anti-woman"... someone with an agenda...etc. I can only thank you Sue for speaking on behalf of me - when I clumsily try to express myself on Foundation-L and fear being shot-down and having my "Wiki" self-esteem torn down.....I just feel like "giving up." Thanks. And I promise everyone, some of us are working towards this, and working towards a change and a towards a conversation that is adult, logical and respectful. <3 -Sarah -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Art and Sarah Stierch Consulting Historical, cultural & artistic research & advising. ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.sarahstierch.com/ -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

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