Is there a way to put information about men's shelters in the woman's shelter article, without violating civility standards?
From, Emily
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 10:11 AM, puppy@killerchihuahua.com wrote:
Couldn't hurt, and would give a place to direct people who try to insert Men's shelter info into the Women's shelter article.
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Gendergap] Men's_shelter Re: New WikiProject Feminism Articles from WSG students From: koltzenburg@w4w.net Date: Tue, June 05, 2012 12:09 am To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
Hi Ryan
thank you for your message explaining how you see the situation that might be coming
what does everyone think about opening an article about "Men's shelter"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men%27s_shelter ("Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name. Please search for Men's shelter in Wikipedia to check for alternative titles or spellings.")
and use a few "male" user names to work on it seriously (there is quite a lot of facts to make known, I think), then see what happens
my2cents is that this would cost us not even three Guineas
any opinions? cheers Claudia
On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 14:12:46 -0700, Ryan Kaldari wrote
Just a quick word of warning... you should expect interference at the " Women's shelter" article from the highly active "men's rights" activists on Wikipedia. They have been pushing the point of view that women's shelters are discriminatory against men, that the women's shelter movement is part of a conspiracy to hide the "true statistics" about male victims of domestic violence, and that women's shelters are just scams to get government money, etc. If the students run into problems, just have them drop a message on the WikiProject Feminism talk page.
Ryan Kaldari
On 6/4/12 6:29 AM, Kissling, Elizabeth wrote:
Now that there's room in the discussion for a new topic :-), I'd like
to ask for help from some of you experienced Wikipedians in bringing a new group of women to the project.
I'm a professor of Women's& Gender Studies, and for their senior
capstone project, I've had a group of WSG majors students working on WP articles for the WikiProject Feminism. They've selected articles from the list of requested articles and stubs from WP:Feminism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Feminism), and have been researching, writing, and revising in their sandbox pages for the last few weeks. We're planning to post the articles in class today (a few make take a little longer, but this week for sure -- it's the last week of the term).
It's been a wonderful experience for them, learning about how to
present research for the Wikipedia audience compared to an academic audience, and to make feminist ideas accessible to larger audience, and more. It's given them a new appreciation of Wikipedia -- most of their professors tell them not to use it, so it was a big shock the first day of class when I announced we'd spend the quarter working on it. It's also been very challenging for many, especially the technical aspects of working with wiki markup and Wikipedia.
Will those of you who volunteer in this area help shepherd them into
the fold? I'm not expecting my students to be treated with kid gloves, but we've watched a few edit wars, and they're nervous. As with any group of students, some are stronger writers than others, and some of these pieces will need more help than others. Here's the list of articles that will soon be added/updated:
American women's firsts Feminism in Thailand Feminism& BDSM Metaformic theory Women's shelters Genderfuck Feminist pedagogy
Thank you for the work that you, and for any help you can provide to
my students.
thanks & cheers, Claudia koltzenburg@w4w.net
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I'd say if mens shelters are notable enough to warrant their own articles perhaps that'd be best.
Sent via iPhone - I apologize in advance for my shortness or errors! :)
On Jun 5, 2012, at 8:13 AM, Emily Monroe emilymonroe03@gmail.com wrote:
Is there a way to put information about men's shelters in the woman's shelter article, without violating civility standards?
From, Emily
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 10:11 AM, puppy@killerchihuahua.com wrote: Couldn't hurt, and would give a place to direct people who try to insert Men's shelter info into the Women's shelter article.
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Gendergap] Men's_shelter Re: New WikiProject Feminism Articles from WSG students From: koltzenburg@w4w.net Date: Tue, June 05, 2012 12:09 am To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org
Hi Ryan
thank you for your message explaining how you see the situation that might be coming
what does everyone think about opening an article about "Men's shelter"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men%27s_shelter ("Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name. Please search for Men's shelter in Wikipedia to check for alternative titles or spellings.")
and use a few "male" user names to work on it seriously (there is quite a lot of facts to make known, I think), then see what happens
my2cents is that this would cost us not even three Guineas
any opinions? cheers Claudia
On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 14:12:46 -0700, Ryan Kaldari wrote
Just a quick word of warning... you should expect interference at the " Women's shelter" article from the highly active "men's rights" activists on Wikipedia. They have been pushing the point of view that women's shelters are discriminatory against men, that the women's shelter movement is part of a conspiracy to hide the "true statistics" about male victims of domestic violence, and that women's shelters are just scams to get government money, etc. If the students run into problems, just have them drop a message on the WikiProject Feminism talk page.
Ryan Kaldari
On 6/4/12 6:29 AM, Kissling, Elizabeth wrote:
Now that there's room in the discussion for a new topic :-), I'd like to ask for help from some of you
experienced Wikipedians in bringing a new group of women to the project.
I'm a professor of Women's& Gender Studies, and for their senior capstone project, I've had a group of
WSG majors students working on WP articles for the WikiProject Feminism. They've selected articles from the list of requested articles and stubs from WP:Feminism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Feminism), and have been researching, writing, and revising in their sandbox pages for the last few weeks. We're planning to post the articles in class today (a few make take a little longer, but this week for sure -- it's the last week of the term).
It's been a wonderful experience for them, learning about how to present research for the Wikipedia
audience compared to an academic audience, and to make feminist ideas accessible to larger audience, and more. It's given them a new appreciation of Wikipedia -- most of their professors tell them not to use it, so it was a big shock the first day of class when I announced we'd spend the quarter working on it. It's also been very challenging for many, especially the technical aspects of working with wiki markup and Wikipedia.
Will those of you who volunteer in this area help shepherd them into the fold? I'm not expecting my
students to be treated with kid gloves, but we've watched a few edit wars, and they're nervous. As with any group of students, some are stronger writers than others, and some of these pieces will need more help than others. Here's the list of articles that will soon be added/updated:
American women's firsts Feminism in Thailand Feminism& BDSM Metaformic theory Women's shelters Genderfuck Feminist pedagogy
Thank you for the work that you, and for any help you can provide to my students.
thanks & cheers, Claudia koltzenburg@w4w.net
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Men's shelters definitely meet the level of coverage required by the [[WP:GNG]] to have a separate article. Ideally, one wold exist. I'd considered creating it myself previously, but I didn't want to deal with the flood of men's rights advocates that invariably appear at such articles. If anyone is willing to put the time/research in to creating and then defending a good article, I think it would be a worthwhile endeavor - but be warned there will be a lot of bullshit and abuse involved. (And tangentially - the gender of the usernames used won't really matter; I'm quite obviously a dude and have drawn more flak from MRA's than anyone else on Wikipedia I'm pretty sure.)
---- User:Kevin Gorman