Brandon, I still think we need to remake the logo. This was just a quick, basic whiz. I would still love your graphic skills on this one if you can spare the time
... cause I am a woman and I truly appreciate amazing design ... and this award deserves it ;-)
Ah, too fast for me! I was about to remake the entire thing, but got stuck trying to find an acceptable replacement font (the real one is for sale at the princely sum of $299.00!).
(offlist)
I think your efforts are perfect, and above and beyond. I don't need to step in here.
On 10/11/11 10:10 PM, Jutta von Dincklage wrote:
Brandon, I still think we need to remake the logo. This was just a quick, basic whiz. I would still love your graphic skills on this one if you can spare the time
... cause I am a woman and I truly appreciate amazing design ... and this award deserves it ;-)
Ah, too fast for me! I was about to remake the entire thing, but got stuck trying to find an acceptable replacement font (the real one is for sale at the princely sum of $299.00!).
Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Brandon,
On a matter that originally arose in Meta and on the Foundation list, but may be of interest to this list as well, do you know the answer to the question posed here ...
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/commons-l/2011-October/006290.html
... or do you know someone who does?
Andreas
From: Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, 12 October 2011, 6:13 Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Mind the Gap Award is here.
(offlist)
I think your efforts are perfect, and above and beyond. I don't need to step in here.
On 10/11/11 10:10 PM, Jutta von Dincklage wrote:
Brandon, I still think we need to remake the logo. This was just a quick, basic whiz. I would still love your graphic skills on this one if you can spare the time
... cause I am a woman and I truly appreciate amazing design ... and this award deserves it ;-)
Ah, too fast for me! I was about to remake the entire thing, but got stuck trying to find an acceptable replacement font (the real one is for sale at the princely sum of $299.00!).
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WHOA that's fascinating...weird...disturbing......something.... Perhaps that's why someone asked about electric toothbrushes and cucumbers on #wikimedia-gendergap the other day :P
-Sarah
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@yahoo.com wrote:
Brandon,
On a matter that originally arose in Meta and on the Foundation list, but may be of interest to this list as well, do you know the answer to the question posed here ...
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/commons-l/2011-October/006290.html
... or do you know someone who does?
Andreas
*From:* Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org *To:* Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects < gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> *Sent:* Wednesday, 12 October 2011, 6:13 *Subject:* Re: [Gendergap] Mind the Gap Award is here.
(offlist) I think your efforts are perfect, and above and beyond. I don't need tostep in here.
On 10/11/11 10:10 PM, Jutta von Dincklage wrote:
Brandon, I still think we need to remake the logo. This was just a quick,
basic whiz.
I would still love your graphic skills on this one if you can spare the
time
... cause I am a woman and I truly appreciate amazing design ... and this award deserves it ;-)
Ah, too fast for me! I was about to remake the entire thing, but got stuck trying to find an acceptable replacement font (the real one is for sale at the princely sum of $299.00!).
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Funnily, I just answered that question on Quora:
http://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-second-image-returned-on-Wikimedia-Commons-w...
On 10/12/11 7:48 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
Brandon,
On a matter that originally arose in Meta and on the Foundation list, but may be of interest to this list as well, do you know the answer to the question posed here ...
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/commons-l/2011-October/006290.html
... or do you know someone who does?
Andreas
------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Brandon Harris <bharris@wikimedia.org> *To:* Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> *Sent:* Wednesday, 12 October 2011, 6:13 *Subject:* Re: [Gendergap] Mind the Gap Award is here. (offlist) I think your efforts are perfect, and above and beyond. I don't need to step in here. On 10/11/11 10:10 PM, Jutta von Dincklage wrote: > Brandon, I still think we need to remake the logo. This was just a quick, basic whiz. > I would still love your graphic skills on this one if you can spare the time > > ... cause I am a woman and I truly appreciate amazing design > ... and this award deserves it ;-) > >> Ah, too fast for me! I was about to remake the entire thing, but got >> stuck trying to find an acceptable replacement font (the real one is for >> sale at the princely sum of $299.00!). > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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Thanks for the link, Brandon.
I had raised this in the image filter discussions on Foundation-l yesterday (as well as on http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Diskussion:Kurier%C2%A0), and it seems to have triggered some thought, which is all for the good.
Here are searches that deliver similar results in Wikipedia and Commons:
pearl necklace
cucumber
Zahnbürste (German for toothbrush)
toothbrush
electric toothbrushes
jumping ball
underwater
... and likely many, many others.
Andreas
From: Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, 12 October 2011, 21:31 Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Commons Searches
Funnily, I just answered that question on Quora:
http://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-second-image-returned-on-Wikimedia-Commons-w...
On 10/12/11 7:48 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
Brandon,
On a matter that originally arose in Meta and on the Foundation list, but may be of interest to this list as well, do you know the answer to the question posed here ...
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/commons-l/2011-October/006290.html
... or do you know someone who does?
Andreas
------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org *To:* Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, 12 October 2011, 6:13 *Subject:* Re: [Gendergap] Mind the Gap Award is here.
(offlist)
I think your efforts are perfect, and above and beyond. I don't need to step in here.
On 10/11/11 10:10 PM, Jutta von Dincklage wrote: > Brandon, I still think we need to remake the logo. This was just a quick, basic whiz. > I would still love your graphic skills on this one if you can spare the time > > ... cause I am a woman and I truly appreciate amazing design > ... and this award deserves it ;-) > >> Ah, too fast for me! I was about to remake the entire thing, but got >> stuck trying to find an acceptable replacement font (the real one is for >> sale at the princely sum of $299.00!). > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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One easy way to fix all of these searches is to create Gallery pages for these terms. If a gallery page for "cucumber" existed, all searches for "cucumber" would go immediately to that gallery page rather than pulling up random images.
Ryan Kaldari
On 10/12/11 3:49 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
Thanks for the link, Brandon.
I had raised this in the image filter discussions on Foundation-l yesterday (as well as on http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Diskussion:Kurier ), and it seems to have triggered some thought, which is all for the good.
Here are searches that deliver similar results in Wikipedia and Commons:
pearl necklace
cucumber
Zahnbürste (German for toothbrush)
toothbrush
electric toothbrushes
jumping ball
underwater
... and likely many, many others.
Andreas
------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Brandon Harris <bharris@wikimedia.org> *To:* gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, 12 October 2011, 21:31 *Subject:* Re: [Gendergap] Commons Searches Funnily, I just answered that question on Quora: http://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-second-image-returned-on-Wikimedia-Commons-when-one-searches-for-electric-toothbrush-an-image-of-a-female-masturbating On 10/12/11 7:48 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Brandon, > > On a matter that originally arose in Meta and on the Foundation list, > but may be of interest to this list as well, do you know the answer to the > question posed here ... > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/commons-l/2011-October/006290.html > > ... or do you know someone who does? > > Andreas > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Brandon Harris <bharris@wikimedia.org <mailto:bharris@wikimedia.org>> > *To:* Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects > <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org>> > *Sent:* Wednesday, 12 October 2011, 6:13 > *Subject:* Re: [Gendergap] Mind the Gap Award is here. > > (offlist) > > I think your efforts are perfect, and above and beyond. I don't need to > step in here. > > > > On 10/11/11 10:10 PM, Jutta von Dincklage wrote: > > Brandon, I still think we need to remake the logo. This was just > a quick, basic whiz. > > I would still love your graphic skills on this one if you can > spare the time > > > > ... cause I am a woman and I truly appreciate amazing design > > ... and this award deserves it ;-) > > > >> Ah, too fast for me! I was about to remake the entire thing, but got > >> stuck trying to find an acceptable replacement font (the real > one is for > >> sale at the princely sum of $299.00!). > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gendergap mailing list > > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> <mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org>> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > -- > Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation > > Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> <mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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The first hit is a gallery page.
From Wikipedia articles we link to Commons and limit it to galleries images
if one exists. But with searches all the images show up.
Sydney
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.orgwrote:
** One easy way to fix all of these searches is to create Gallery pages for these terms. If a gallery page for "cucumber" existed, all searches for "cucumber" would go immediately to that gallery page rather than pulling up random images.
Ryan Kaldari
On 10/12/11 3:49 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
Thanks for the link, Brandon.
I had raised this in the image filter discussions on Foundation-l yesterday (as well as on http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Diskussion:Kurier ), and it seems to have triggered some thought, which is all for the good.
Here are searches that deliver similar results in Wikipedia and Commons:
pearl necklace
cucumber
Zahnbürste (German for toothbrush)
toothbrush
electric toothbrushes
jumping ball
underwater
... and likely many, many others.
Andreas
*From:* Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org bharris@wikimedia.org *To:* gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, 12 October 2011, 21:31 *Subject:* Re: [Gendergap] Commons Searches
Funnily, I just answered that question on Quora:http://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-second-image-returned-on-Wikimedia-Commons-w...
On 10/12/11 7:48 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
Brandon,
On a matter that originally arose in Meta and on the Foundation list, but may be of interest to this list as well, do you know the answer to
the
question posed here ...
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/commons-l/2011-October/006290.html
... or do you know someone who does?
Andreas
*From:* Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org *To:* Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, 12 October 2011, 6:13 *Subject:* Re: [Gendergap] Mind the Gap Award is here.
(offlist)
I think your efforts are perfect, and above and beyond. I don't need
to
step in here.
On 10/11/11 10:10 PM, Jutta von Dincklage wrote: > Brandon, I still think we need to remake the logo. This was just a quick, basic whiz. > I would still love your graphic skills on this one if you can spare the time > > ... cause I am a woman and I truly appreciate amazing design > ... and this award deserves it ;-) > >> Ah, too fast for me! I was about to remake the entire thing, but
got
>> stuck trying to find an acceptable replacement font (the realone is for >> sale at the princely sum of $299.00!). > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org>
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http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Pearl_necklaces
Wee!
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Sydney Poore sydney.poore@gmail.comwrote:
The first hit is a gallery page.
From Wikipedia articles we link to Commons and limit it to galleries images if one exists. But with searches all the images show up.
Sydney
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.orgwrote:
** One easy way to fix all of these searches is to create Gallery pages for these terms. If a gallery page for "cucumber" existed, all searches for "cucumber" would go immediately to that gallery page rather than pulling up random images.
Ryan Kaldari
On 10/12/11 3:49 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
Thanks for the link, Brandon.
I had raised this in the image filter discussions on Foundation-l yesterday (as well as on http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Diskussion:Kurier ), and it seems to have triggered some thought, which is all for the good.
Here are searches that deliver similar results in Wikipedia and Commons:
pearl necklace
cucumber
Zahnbürste (German for toothbrush)
toothbrush
electric toothbrushes
jumping ball
underwater
... and likely many, many others.
Andreas
*From:* Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org bharris@wikimedia.org *To:* gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, 12 October 2011, 21:31 *Subject:* Re: [Gendergap] Commons Searches
Funnily, I just answered that question on Quora:http://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-second-image-returned-on-Wikimedia-Commons-w...
On 10/12/11 7:48 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
Brandon,
On a matter that originally arose in Meta and on the Foundation list, but may be of interest to this list as well, do you know the answer to
the
question posed here ...
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/commons-l/2011-October/006290.html
... or do you know someone who does?
Andreas
*From:* Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org *To:* Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, 12 October 2011, 6:13 *Subject:* Re: [Gendergap] Mind the Gap Award is here.
(offlist)
I think your efforts are perfect, and above and beyond. I don't need
to
step in here.
On 10/11/11 10:10 PM, Jutta von Dincklage wrote: > Brandon, I still think we need to remake the logo. This was just a quick, basic whiz. > I would still love your graphic skills on this one if you can spare the time > > ... cause I am a woman and I truly appreciate amazing design > ... and this award deserves it ;-) > >> Ah, too fast for me! I was about to remake the entire thing, but
got
>> stuck trying to find an acceptable replacement font (the realone is for >> sale at the princely sum of $299.00!). > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:
Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org>
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I've created a page for the singular as well, with a redirect to your page. ;)
Andreas
From: Sarah Stierch sarah.stierch@gmail.com To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, 13 October 2011, 20:14 Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Commons Searches
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Pearl_necklaces
Wee!
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Sydney Poore sydney.poore@gmail.com wrote:
The first hit is a gallery page.
From Wikipedia articles we link to Commons and limit it to galleries images if one exists. But with searches all the images show up.
Sydney
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org wrote:
One easy way to fix all of these searches is to create Gallery pages for these terms. If a gallery page for "cucumber" existed, all searches for "cucumber" would go immediately to that gallery page rather than pulling up random images.
Ryan Kaldari
On 10/12/11 3:49 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: Thanks for the link, Brandon.
I had raised this in the image filter discussions on Foundation-l yesterday (as well as on http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Diskussion:Kurier%C2%A0), and it seems to have triggered some thought, which is all for the good.
Here are searches that deliver similar results in Wikipedia and Commons:
pearl necklace
cucumber
Zahnbürste (German for toothbrush)
toothbrush
electric toothbrushes
jumping ball
underwater
... and likely many, many others.
Andreas
From: Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, 12 October 2011, 21:31 Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Commons Searches
Funnily, I just answered that question on Quora:
http://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-second-image-returned-on-Wikimedia-Commons-w...
On 10/12/11 7:48 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
Brandon,
On a matter that originally arose in Meta and on
the Foundation list,
but may be of interest to this list as well, do you
know the answer to the
question posed here ...
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/commons-l/2011-October/006290.html
... or do you know someone who does?
Andreas
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org *To:* Increasing female participation in
Wikimedia projects
gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, 12 October 2011, 6:13 *Subject:* Re: [Gendergap] Mind the Gap Award is
here.
(offlist)
I think your efforts are perfect, and above and
beyond. I don't need to
step in here.
On 10/11/11 10:10 PM, Jutta von Dincklage wrote: > Brandon, I still think we need to remake
the logo. This was just
a quick, basic whiz. > I would still love your graphic skills on
this one if you can
spare the time > > ... cause I am a woman and I truly
appreciate amazing design
> ... and this award deserves it ;-) > >> Ah, too fast for me! I was about to
remake the entire thing, but got
>> stuck trying to find an acceptable
replacement font (the real
one is for >> sale at the princely sum of
$299.00!).
> > > >
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Ryan,
Creating galleries would mitigate the problem for these half-dozen searches (though not eliminate it, as users would still have the option of searching Commons rather than navigating to a Commons page).
But it's like the story of the Dutch boy trying to plug a hole in the levee with his finger. (Searching for "levee" in Commons brings up an image of a naked Suicide Girl called Levee in third place.)
We should be under no illusion that we can find all search terms whose results violate the principle of least surprise, presenting adult images for everyday search terms.
New such situations arise on a daily basis, each time someone uploads an explicit file that has a plausible search term in its name and description (try searching Commons for "eating", and then search for "drinking"; or try finding images of Prince Albert).
We should simply offer safe search, like Google does.
Andreas
From: Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, 13 October 2011, 19:31 Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Commons Searches
One easy way to fix all of these searches is to create Gallery pages for these terms. If a gallery page for "cucumber" existed, all searches for "cucumber" would go immediately to that gallery page rather than pulling up random images.
Ryan Kaldari
On 10/12/11 3:49 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: Thanks for the link, Brandon.
I had raised this in the image filter discussions on Foundation-l yesterday (as well as on http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Diskussion:Kurier%C2%A0), and it seems to have triggered some thought, which is all for the good.
Here are searches that deliver similar results in Wikipedia and Commons:
pearl necklace
cucumber
Zahnbürste (German for toothbrush)
toothbrush
electric toothbrushes
jumping ball
underwater
... and likely many, many others.
Andreas
From: Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, 12 October 2011, 21:31 Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Commons Searches
Funnily, I just answered that question on Quora:
http://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-second-image-returned-on-Wikimedia-Commons-w...
On 10/12/11 7:48 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
Brandon,
On a matter that originally arose in Meta and on
the Foundation list,
but may be of interest to this list as well, do you
know the answer to the
question posed here ...
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/commons-l/2011-October/006290.html
... or do you know someone who does?
Andreas
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org *To:* Increasing female participation in
Wikimedia projects
gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, 12 October 2011, 6:13 *Subject:* Re: [Gendergap] Mind the Gap Award is
here.
(offlist)
I think your efforts are perfect, and above and
beyond. I don't need to
step in here.
On 10/11/11 10:10 PM, Jutta von Dincklage wrote: > Brandon, I still think we need to remake
the logo. This was just
a quick, basic whiz. > I would still love your graphic skills on
this one if you can
spare the time > > ... cause I am a woman and I truly
appreciate amazing design
> ... and this award deserves it ;-) > >> Ah, too fast for me! I was about to
remake the entire thing, but got
>> stuck trying to find an acceptable
replacement font (the real
one is for >> sale at the princely sum of
$299.00!).
> > > >
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On 10/14/11, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@yahoo.com wrote:
Ryan,
Creating galleries would mitigate the problem for these half-dozen searches (though not eliminate it, as users would still have the option of searching Commons rather than navigating to a Commons page).
But it's like the story of the Dutch boy trying to plug a hole in the levee with his finger.
We arnt one dutch boy. We are legion dutch boys (and an increasing number of girls) taking turns to plug the metaphorical hole in the levee, and we scan the wall for new holes. And we build houses and windmills at the same time.
We massively distribute tasks while we wait for the developers to create permanent fixes or create preventative tools.
(Searching for "levee" in Commons brings up an image of a naked Suicide Girl called Levee in third place.)
Its a thumbnail for !@#$ sake, and anyone who finds that image offensive should turn off their internet connection.
I am sure you'll be appalled that libraries include nude pictures in their search results, often when searching for something else.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/picture/result?q=contemporary+north+america+20th+cen...
fix the metadata.
create a gallery page.
create a category and populate it.
etc
p.s. abstract art offends me. Can we please remove media related to John Levee's from the Commons search results for the term 'Levee'. ;-)
We should be under no illusion that we can find all search terms whose results violate the principle of least surprise, presenting adult images for everyday search terms.
New such situations arise on a daily basis, each time someone uploads an explicit file that has a plausible search term in its name and description (try searching Commons for "eating", and then search for "drinking"; or try finding images of Prince Albert).
The ordering of the search results isnt ideal. Have you raised a bug?
It puts too much weight on the filename, which isnt good because recommend against rename, so the current search results are gamable by the uploader.
We should simply offer safe search, like Google does.
Google provides safe search. They need to convert 'the internet' into a search results page that their customer wants to see, and the Internet has a whole lot of stuff that 99% of the world never wants to see.
Wikipedia provides encyclopedic information.
Commons provides a depository of media, and if you search for keywords in the metadata you'll see thumbnails of the matching media.
-- John Vandenberg
John,
From: John Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com
(Searching for "levee" in Commons brings up an image of a naked Suicide Girl called Levee in third place.)
Its a thumbnail for !@#$ sake, and anyone who finds that image offensive should turn off their internet connection.
It's a perfectly nice image, but does it answer the user's need? In most cases probably not. If I google levee, I see levees, not nude girls:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?gcx=c&q=levee&um=1&ie=UTF-8&h...
If I want to google for pictures of Levee, I google for "Levee Suicide Girls", and there she is:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?gcx=c&q=levee&um=1&ie=UTF-8&h...
I guess Commons should give more weight to categories, and less weight to file names. So when I google cucumber, it should show me images in the cucumber category first of all, and not images that happen to have cucumber in the title.
Brandon, is there something developers could do in this regard?
I am sure you'll be appalled that libraries include nude pictures in
their search results, often when searching for something else.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/picture/result?q=contemporary+north+america+20th+cen...
fix the metadata.
create a gallery page.
create a category and populate it.
etc
p.s. abstract art offends me. Can we please remove media related to John Levee's from the Commons search results for the term 'Levee'. ;-)
We should be under no illusion that we can find all search terms whose results violate the principle of least surprise, presenting adult images for everyday search terms.
New such situations arise on a daily basis, each time someone uploads an explicit file that has a plausible search term in its name and description (try searching Commons for "eating", and then search for "drinking"; or try finding images of Prince Albert).
The ordering of the search results isnt ideal. Have you raised a bug?
The thing is, John, it's not a bug. How is it a bug? The image is called "Drinking urine" or whatever, and so it's a valid search result for "drinking". No doubt, a bunch of people would argue that it would be non-neutral to exclude it from the search results for drinking, because Wikipedia is not censored, and we don't care if people are unhappy with our service, because that would be non-neutral. ;)
<Imagine rant here.>
It puts too much weight on the filename, which isnt good because
recommend against rename, so the current search results are gamable by the uploader.
We should simply offer safe search, like Google does.
Google provides safe search. They need to convert 'the internet' into a search results page that their customer wants to see, and the Internet has a whole lot of stuff that 99% of the world never wants to see.
Wikipedia provides encyclopedic information.
Commons provides a depository of media, and if you search for keywords in the metadata you'll see thumbnails of the matching media.
I find Google safe search seriously useful, because it gives me a choice, and enables me to tailor my search to my requirements. If I want to see porn, I can see porn. If I'm looking for something else, I can prevent my search being flooded with porn.
If I am a researcher looking for images of Prince Albert on Commons, I would appreciate not being forced to wade through dozens of images of penises with rings in them to find the image I'm looking for.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&redirs=1&a...
We will not attract a more mature audience until we get our act together.
Andreas
Unfortunately we currently have zero developers working on search (as far as I know). There are several more significant search bugs that are also not going to be fixed any time soon. Another issue is that our search engine is Java while the rest of MediaWiki is PHP. This makes sense for performance reasons, but makes the pool of potential developers who are able and willing to work on it much smaller. In other words, this might get fixed in a few years, but I wouldn't hold my breathe. In the meantime, it would be good to follow Sarah's lead and proactively curate the content we have so that there is less potential for astonishment in our search results.
Ryan Kaldari
On 10/13/11 5:37 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
John,
*From:* John Vandenberg <jayvdb@gmail.com> > (Searching for "levee" in Commons brings up an image of a > naked Suicide Girl called Levee in third place.) Its a thumbnail for !@#$ sake, and anyone who finds that image offensive should turn off their internet connection.It's a perfectly nice image, but does it answer the user's need? In most cases probably not. If I google levee, I see levees, not nude girls:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?gcx=c&q=levee&um=1&ie=UTF-8&h... http://www.google.co.uk/search?gcx=c&q=levee&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1041&bih=638
If I want to google for pictures of Levee, I google for "Levee Suicide Girls", and there she is:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?gcx=c&q=levee&um=1&ie=UTF-8&h... http://www.google.co.uk/search?gcx=c&q=levee&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1041&bih=638#um=1&hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=levee+suicide+girl&pbx=1&oq=levee+suicide+girl&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=127182l129981l0l130379l15l15l0l11l0l0l291l930l0.1.3l4l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=120e52a58330422e&biw=1041&bih=638
I guess Commons should give more weight to categories, and less weight to file names. So when I google cucumber, it should show me images in the cucumber category first of all, and not images that happen to have cucumber in the title.
Brandon, is there something developers could do in this regard?
I am sure you'll be appalled that libraries include nude pictures in their search results, often when searching for something else. http://trove.nla.gov.au/picture/result?q=contemporary+north+america+20th+century fix the metadata. create a gallery page. create a category and populate it. etc p.s. abstract art offends me. Can we please remove media related to John Levee's from the Commons search results for the term 'Levee'. ;-) > We should be under no illusion that we can find all search terms whose > results violate the principle of least surprise, presenting adult images for > everyday search terms. > > New such situations arise on a daily basis, each time someone uploads an > explicit file that has a plausible search term in its name and > description (try searching Commons for "eating", and then search for > "drinking"; or try finding images of Prince Albert). The ordering of the search results isnt ideal. Have you raised a bug?The thing is, John, it's not a bug. How is it a bug? The image is called "Drinking urine" or whatever, and so it's a valid search result for "drinking". No doubt, a bunch of people would argue that it would be non-neutral to exclude it from the search results for drinking, because Wikipedia is not censored, and we don't care if people are unhappy with our service, because that would be non-neutral. ;)
<Imagine rant here.>
It puts too much weight on the filename, which isnt good because recommend against rename, so the current search results are gamable by the uploader. > We should simply offer safe search, like Google does. Google provides safe search. They need to convert 'the internet' into a search results page that their customer wants to see, and the Internet has a whole lot of stuff that 99% of the world never wants to see. Wikipedia provides encyclopedic information. Commons provides a depository of media, and if you search for keywords in the metadata you'll see thumbnails of the matching media.I find Google safe search seriously useful, because it gives me a choice, and enables me to tailor my search to my requirements. If I want to see porn, I can see porn. If I'm looking for something else, I can prevent my search being flooded with porn.
If I am a researcher looking for images of Prince Albert on Commons, I would appreciate not being forced to wade through dozens of images of penises with rings in them to find the image I'm looking for.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&redirs=1&a... http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&redirs=1&ns0=1&ns6=1&ns9=1&ns12=1&ns14=1&ns100=1&ns106=1&search=Prince+albert&limit=500&offset=0
We will not attract a more mature audience until we get our act together.
Andreas
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On 10/13/11 5:47 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote:
Unfortunately we currently have zero developers working on search (as far as I know). There are several more significant search bugs that are also not going to be fixed any time soon. Another issue is that our search engine is Java while the rest of MediaWiki is PHP. This makes sense for performance reasons, but makes the pool of potential developers who are able and willing to work on it much smaller. In other words, this might get fixed in a few years, but I wouldn't hold my breathe. In the meantime, it would be good to follow Sarah's lead and proactively curate the content we have so that there is less potential for astonishment in our search results.
Yeah; this is really a curation issue and not a search engine issue.
Sadly, I'm one of the few people at the Foundation who knows Java or could even work on this, but I expect that there would be much wailing and gnashing of teeth were I to spend much time on this.
Ryan,
We have just performed a 24,000-people referendum on a personal image filter, and the Board has declared a willingness to devote resources to implementing a corresponding solution.
If that work is done, we would also have all we need to make the Commons search function – which is also the Wikipedia multimedia search function – work in a way that would provide users with the results they are actually looking for.
Andreas
From: Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org To: gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, 14 October 2011, 1:47 Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Commons Searches
Unfortunately we currently have zero developers working on search (as far as I know). There are several more significant search bugs that are also not going to be fixed any time soon. Another issue is that our search engine is Java while the rest of MediaWiki is PHP. This makes sense for performance reasons, but makes the pool of potential developers who are able and willing to work on it much smaller. In other words, this might get fixed in a few years, but I wouldn't hold my breathe. In the meantime, it would be good to follow Sarah's lead and proactively curate the content we have so that there is less potential for astonishment in our search results.
Ryan Kaldari
On 10/13/11 5:37 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: John,
From: John Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com
(Searching for "levee" in Commons brings up an image of a naked Suicide Girl called Levee in third
place.)
Its a thumbnail for !@#$ sake, and anyone who
finds that image
offensive should turn off their internet
connection.
It's a perfectly nice image, but does it answer the user's need? In most cases probably not. If I google levee, I see levees, not nude girls:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?gcx=c&q=levee&um=1&ie=UTF-8&h...
If I want to google for pictures of Levee, I google for "Levee Suicide Girls", and there she is:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?gcx=c&q=levee&um=1&ie=UTF-8&h...
I guess Commons should give more weight to categories, and less weight to file names. So when I google cucumber, it should show me images in the cucumber category first of all, and not images that happen to have cucumber in the title.
Brandon, is there something developers could do in this regard?
I am sure you'll be appalled that libraries include nude pictures in
their search results, often when searching for
something else.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/picture/result?q=contemporary+north+america+20th+cen...
fix the metadata.
create a gallery page.
create a category and populate it.
etc
p.s. abstract art offends me. Can we please
remove media related to
John Levee's from the Commons search results
for the term 'Levee'. ;-)
We should be under no illusion that we
can find all search terms whose
results violate the principle of least
surprise, presenting adult images for
everyday search terms.
New such situations arise on a daily
basis, each time someone uploads an
explicit file that has a plausible search
term in its name and
description (try searching Commons for
"eating", and then search for
"drinking"; or try finding images of
Prince Albert).
The ordering of the search results isnt
ideal. Have you raised a bug?
The thing is, John, it's not a bug. How is it a bug? The image is called "Drinking urine" or whatever, and so it's a valid search result for "drinking". No doubt, a bunch of people would argue that it would be non-neutral to exclude it from the search results for drinking, because Wikipedia is not censored, and we don't care if people are unhappy with our service, because that would be non-neutral. ;)
<Imagine rant here.>
It puts too much weight on the filename, which isnt good because
recommend against rename, so the current search results are gamable by
the uploader.
We should simply offer safe search, like
Google does.
Google provides safe search. They need to
convert 'the internet' into
a search results page that their customer
wants to see, and the
Internet has a whole lot of stuff that 99% of
the world never wants to
see.
Wikipedia provides encyclopedic information.
Commons provides a depository of media, and if
you search for keywords
in the metadata you'll see thumbnails of the
matching media.
I find Google safe search seriously useful, because it gives me a choice, and enables me to tailor my search to my requirements. If I want to see porn, I can see porn. If I'm looking for something else, I can prevent my search being flooded with porn.
If I am a researcher looking for images of Prince Albert on Commons, I would appreciate not being forced to wade through dozens of images of penises with rings in them to find the image I'm looking for.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&redirs=1&a...
We will not attract a more mature audience until we get our act together.
Andreas
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Brandon,
Would it be a lot of work to give primary weight in the Commons search listing order to files included in
1. Categories (top level only) and 2. Galleries
whose name matches the search term (or is the plural thereof)?
So the top files listed for cucumber, say, would be all the files shown in http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cucumber%C2%A0and%C2%A0http://commons.wiki...
Andreas
On 10/13/11 5:47 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote:
Unfortunately we currently have zero developers working on search (as >far as I know). There are several more significant search bugs that are >also not going to be fixed any time soon. Another issue is that our >search engine is Java while the rest of MediaWiki is PHP. This makes >sense for performance reasons, but makes the pool of potential >developers who are able and willing to work on it much smaller. In other >words, this might get fixed in a few years, but I wouldn't hold my >breathe. In the meantime, it would be good to follow Sarah's lead and >proactively curate the content we have so that there is less potential >for astonishment in our search results. Yeah; this is really a curation issue and not a search engine issue. Sadly, I'm one of the few people at the Foundation who knows Java or
could even work on this, but I expect that there would be much wailing and gnashing of teeth were I to spend much time on this. -- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
+1 Andreas.
:)
You said what I was thinking in such an eloquent way that I could never.
Is there a barnstar for "calm and clear communication?" :D
-Sarah
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@yahoo.com wrote:
John,
*From:* John Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com
(Searching for "levee" in Commons brings up an image of a naked Suicide Girl called Levee in third place.)
Its a thumbnail for !@#$ sake, and anyone who finds that image offensive should turn off their internet connection.
It's a perfectly nice image, but does it answer the user's need? In most cases probably not. If I google levee, I see levees, not nude girls:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?gcx=c&q=levee&um=1&ie=UTF-8&h...
If I want to google for pictures of Levee, I google for "Levee Suicide Girls", and there she is:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?gcx=c&q=levee&um=1&ie=UTF-8&h...
I guess Commons should give more weight to categories, and less weight to file names. So when I google cucumber, it should show me images in the cucumber category first of all, and not images that happen to have cucumber in the title.
Brandon, is there something developers could do in this regard?
I am sure you'll be appalled that libraries include nude pictures in their search results, often when searching for something else.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/picture/result?q=contemporary+north+america+20th+cen...
fix the metadata.
create a gallery page.
create a category and populate it.
etc
p.s. abstract art offends me. Can we please remove media related to John Levee's from the Commons search results for the term 'Levee'. ;-)
We should be under no illusion that we can find all search terms whose results violate the principle of least surprise, presenting adult images
for
everyday search terms.
New such situations arise on a daily basis, each time someone uploads an explicit file that has a plausible search term in its name and description (try searching Commons for "eating", and then search for "drinking"; or try finding images of Prince Albert).
The ordering of the search results isnt ideal. Have you raised a bug?
The thing is, John, it's not a bug. How is it a bug? The image is called "Drinking urine" or whatever, and so it's a valid search result for "drinking". No doubt, a bunch of people would argue that it would be non-neutral to exclude it from the search results for drinking, because Wikipedia is not censored, and we don't care if people are unhappy with our service, because that would be non-neutral. ;)
<Imagine rant here.>
It puts too much weight on the filename, which isnt good because recommend against rename, so the current search results are gamable by the uploader.
We should simply offer safe search, like Google does.
Google provides safe search. They need to convert 'the internet' into a search results page that their customer wants to see, and the Internet has a whole lot of stuff that 99% of the world never wants to see.
Wikipedia provides encyclopedic information.
Commons provides a depository of media, and if you search for keywords in the metadata you'll see thumbnails of the matching media.
I find Google safe search seriously useful, because it gives me a choice, and enables me to tailor my search to my requirements. If I want to see porn, I can see porn. If I'm looking for something else, I can prevent my search being flooded with porn.
If I am a researcher looking for images of Prince Albert on Commons, I would appreciate not being forced to wade through dozens of images of penises with rings in them to find the image I'm looking for.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&redirs=1&a...
We will not attract a more mature audience until we get our act together.
Andreas
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