Sorry to say... Right now, on the English Wikipedia main page "did you know" section, is "World Naked Gardening Day": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Naked_Gardening_Day You will note on the talkpage of the article there's been a vigorous debate about the choice of image used http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:World_Naked_Gardening_Day This morning (my time) the image was not there, with [[user:alan liefting]] working hard to argue against the photo that has now been placed at the top. I am dismayed on behalf of women and of gardeners too! I have come across [[User:Supernova Explosion]] before - he seems to use titillating captions and images to increase the hits to otherwise legitimate 'did you know' nominations and is now the user who has been arguing that this photo has "consensus" to be included while they wait for a better one to be found.
Groan!
I don't want to get involved in an edit-war about this case, but can anything be done about this case specifically? Is it the right approach to remove the image and to ask that the discussion about its appropriateness be delayed until at least after the DYK link is gone??
Whiteghost.ink
Someone might know (or know of) Mark Storey who is gardening on http://naked.wikia.com/wiki/World_Naked_Gardening_Day - or perhaps http://naked.wikia.com/wiki/User:Dlj (aka http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dandelion1 ) who uploaded the image?
Regards, Ole
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Gillian White whiteghost.ink@gmail.comwrote:
Sorry to say... Right now, on the English Wikipedia main page "did you know" section, is "World Naked Gardening Day": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Naked_Gardening_Day You will note on the talkpage of the article there's been a vigorous debate about the choice of image used http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:World_Naked_Gardening_Day This morning (my time) the image was not there, with [[user:alan liefting]] working hard to argue against the photo that has now been placed at the top. I am dismayed on behalf of women and of gardeners too! I have come across [[User:Supernova Explosion]] before - he seems to use titillating captions and images to increase the hits to otherwise legitimate 'did you know' nominations and is now the user who has been arguing that this photo has "consensus" to be included while they wait for a better one to be found.
Groan!
I don't want to get involved in an edit-war about this case, but can anything be done about this case specifically? Is it the right approach to remove the image and to ask that the discussion about its appropriateness be delayed until at least after the DYK link is gone??
Whiteghost.ink
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I removed it with this explanation:
I've removed the image; I suggest not restoring it (as controversial)
unless it is decided by consensus to be the permanent lead image. There is no need to have a sub-standard image in the mean time if a better one can be found (which I think is the case). The photo is a posed shot - apparently promotional(?) - which focuses on the nudity with only a token gesture to gardening. It is gratuitous, in that form, and not a good illustration of the subject.
I don't particularly object to the image myself; but it's not a good illustration of the topic.
Tom
On 5 April 2012 11:36, Ole Palnatoke Andersen palnatoke@gmail.com wrote:
Someone might know (or know of) Mark Storey who is gardening on http://naked.wikia.com/wiki/World_Naked_Gardening_Day - or perhaps http://naked.wikia.com/wiki/User:Dlj (aka http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dandelion1 ) who uploaded the image?
Regards, Ole
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Gillian White whiteghost.ink@gmail.comwrote:
Sorry to say... Right now, on the English Wikipedia main page "did you know" section, is "World Naked Gardening Day": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Naked_Gardening_Day You will note on the talkpage of the article there's been a vigorous debate about the choice of image used http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:World_Naked_Gardening_Day This morning (my time) the image was not there, with [[user:alan liefting]] working hard to argue against the photo that has now been placed at the top. I am dismayed on behalf of women and of gardeners too! I have come across [[User:Supernova Explosion]] before - he seems to use titillating captions and images to increase the hits to otherwise legitimate 'did you know' nominations and is now the user who has been arguing that this photo has "consensus" to be included while they wait for a better one to be found.
Groan!
I don't want to get involved in an edit-war about this case, but can anything be done about this case specifically? Is it the right approach to remove the image and to ask that the discussion about its appropriateness be delayed until at least after the DYK link is gone??
Whiteghost.ink
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If you don't particularly object to that image
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_Naked_Gardening_Day&oldi...
then I would suggest you have very poor taste and very little sense of what an encyclopedia, even an online encyclopedia, should look like.
Andreas
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Thomas Morton <morton.thomas@googlemail.com
wrote:
I removed it with this explanation:
I've removed the image; I suggest not restoring it (as controversial)
unless it is decided by consensus to be the permanent lead image. There is no need to have a sub-standard image in the mean time if a better one can be found (which I think is the case). The photo is a posed shot - apparently promotional(?) - which focuses on the nudity with only a token gesture to gardening. It is gratuitous, in that form, and not a good illustration of the subject.
I don't particularly object to the image myself; but it's not a good illustration of the topic.
Tom
On 5 April 2012 11:36, Ole Palnatoke Andersen palnatoke@gmail.com wrote:
Someone might know (or know of) Mark Storey who is gardening on http://naked.wikia.com/wiki/World_Naked_Gardening_Day - or perhaps http://naked.wikia.com/wiki/User:Dlj (aka http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dandelion1 ) who uploaded the image?
Regards, Ole
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Gillian White <whiteghost.ink@gmail.com
wrote:
Sorry to say... Right now, on the English Wikipedia main page "did you know" section, is "World Naked Gardening Day": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Naked_Gardening_Day You will note on the talkpage of the article there's been a vigorous debate about the choice of image used http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:World_Naked_Gardening_Day This morning (my time) the image was not there, with [[user:alan liefting]] working hard to argue against the photo that has now been placed at the top. I am dismayed on behalf of women and of gardeners too! I have come across [[User:Supernova Explosion]] before - he seems to use titillating captions and images to increase the hits to otherwise legitimate 'did you know' nominations and is now the user who has been arguing that this photo has "consensus" to be included while they wait for a better one to be found.
Groan!
I don't want to get involved in an edit-war about this case, but can anything be done about this case specifically? Is it the right approach to remove the image and to ask that the discussion about its appropriateness be delayed until at least after the DYK link is gone??
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Oh stop blithering like an idiot* and apply a little common sense.
The image isn't appropriate in that article. I don't object to it in general.
Stop being needlessly dramatic.
Tom
* I'm taking your cue for rudeness here
On 5 April 2012 12:54, Andreas Kolbe jayen466@gmail.com wrote:
If you don't particularly object to that image
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_Naked_Gardening_Day&oldi...
then I would suggest you have very poor taste and very little sense of what an encyclopedia, even an online encyclopedia, should look like.
Andreas
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Thomas Morton < morton.thomas@googlemail.com> wrote:
I removed it with this explanation:
I've removed the image; I suggest not restoring it (as controversial)
unless it is decided by consensus to be the permanent lead image. There is no need to have a sub-standard image in the mean time if a better one can be found (which I think is the case). The photo is a posed shot - apparently promotional(?) - which focuses on the nudity with only a token gesture to gardening. It is gratuitous, in that form, and not a good illustration of the subject.
I don't particularly object to the image myself; but it's not a good illustration of the topic.
Tom
On 5 April 2012 11:36, Ole Palnatoke Andersen palnatoke@gmail.comwrote:
Someone might know (or know of) Mark Storey who is gardening on http://naked.wikia.com/wiki/World_Naked_Gardening_Day - or perhaps http://naked.wikia.com/wiki/User:Dlj (aka http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dandelion1 ) who uploaded the image?
Regards, Ole
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Gillian White < whiteghost.ink@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry to say... Right now, on the English Wikipedia main page "did you know" section, is "World Naked Gardening Day": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Naked_Gardening_Day You will note on the talkpage of the article there's been a vigorous debate about the choice of image used http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:World_Naked_Gardening_Day This morning (my time) the image was not there, with [[user:alan liefting]] working hard to argue against the photo that has now been placed at the top. I am dismayed on behalf of women and of gardeners too! I have come across [[User:Supernova Explosion]] before - he seems to use titillating captions and images to increase the hits to otherwise legitimate 'did you know' nominations and is now the user who has been arguing that this photo has "consensus" to be included while they wait for a better one to be found.
Groan!
I don't want to get involved in an edit-war about this case, but can anything be done about this case specifically? Is it the right approach to remove the image and to ask that the discussion about its appropriateness be delayed until at least after the DYK link is gone??
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welcome to censorpedia
we fight probalbly sexism with our own middle-age-view on the world
and oppress any non appreciated right for free expression
than we told the critics idiots
On 4/7/2012 10:35 AM, Bob Sponge wrote:
welcome to censorpedia
we fight probalbly sexism with our own middle-age-view on the world
and oppress any non appreciated right for free expression
than we told the critics idiots
The photo is obviously more about a sexy and stimulating phyical stance taken by a naked female than about illustrating the article's point. Just like a picture emphasizing an erect penis would be. There's a difference between censorship and avoiding prurient WP:Undue.
I agree with Carol. I have nothing against nude pictures (God knows how many fights i got into because of them) but that picture is more about the obvious sexual position than the gardening (which is the point of this article.) _____ *Béria Lima*
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On 7 April 2012 16:03, Carol Moore DC carolmooredc@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/7/2012 10:35 AM, Bob Sponge wrote:
welcome to censorpedia
we fight probalbly sexism with our own middle-age-view on the world
and oppress any non appreciated right for free expression
than we told the critics idiots
The photo is obviously more about a sexy and stimulating phyical stance
taken by a naked female than about illustrating the article's point. Just like a picture emphasizing an erect penis would be. There's a difference between censorship and avoiding prurient WP:Undue.
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The image was not of someone gardening naked. It was a sexy picture of a very attractive young woman. Just imagine the same picture with the woman fully clothed and ask yourself if this picture would illustrate a general article about gardening. If I had to take a picture to illustrate naked gardening, I would have ask the model to bend her knees (because it is much more confortable) and I would have taken the picture from the opposite angle, with a focus one her hands which is actually the part of her body she uses to garden (or maybe there is a way to garden with one's vulva my grandparents never teached me of).
If you're still no convinced, just compare with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_hiking : people on the picture are hiking, not sexy posing while pretending to hike.
Caroline
2012/4/7 Carol Moore DC carolmooredc@verizon.net
On 4/7/2012 10:35 AM, Bob Sponge wrote:
welcome to censorpedia
we fight probalbly sexism with our own middle-age-view on the world
and oppress any non appreciated right for free expression
than we told the critics idiots
The photo is obviously more about a sexy and stimulating phyical stance
taken by a naked female than about illustrating the article's point. Just like a picture emphasizing an erect penis would be. There's a difference between censorship and avoiding prurient WP:Undue.
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I agree with what Thomas said in his explanation for removing the image and also with what Carol said on the Discussion page - why doesn't someone go out into their garden naked with a trowel and have their picture taken enjoying doing the gardening - something with a better balance between plants and flesh? [?] Hmmm. Perhaps a group from Wikiproject Biology or even Wikiproject Earth Sciences could offer their services. I thought of doing it myself (this new idea of naked gardening has some appeal) but by the time the idea came to me, alas, darkness had fallen and there was no article "World Naked Gardening Day Night".
Whiteghost.ink
On 8 April 2012 05:13, Caroline Becker carobecker54@gmail.com wrote:
The image was not of someone gardening naked. It was a sexy picture of a very attractive young woman. Just imagine the same picture with the woman fully clothed and ask yourself if this picture would illustrate a general article about gardening. If I had to take a picture to illustrate naked gardening, I would have ask the model to bend her knees (because it is much more confortable) and I would have taken the picture from the opposite angle, with a focus one her hands which is actually the part of her body she uses to garden (or maybe there is a way to garden with one's vulva my grandparents never teached me of).
If you're still no convinced, just compare with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_hiking : people on the picture are hiking, not sexy posing while pretending to hike.
Caroline
2012/4/7 Carol Moore DC carolmooredc@verizon.net
On 4/7/2012 10:35 AM, Bob Sponge wrote:
welcome to censorpedia
we fight probalbly sexism with our own middle-age-view on the world
and oppress any non appreciated right for free expression
than we told the critics idiots
The photo is obviously more about a sexy and stimulating phyical stance
taken by a naked female than about illustrating the article's point. Just like a picture emphasizing an erect penis would be. There's a difference between censorship and avoiding prurient WP:Undue.
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