How to Acknowledge an all-male panel. - Gendergap

Heather Walls

2 Apr 2 Apr

7:32 p.m.

I'm not sure what you mean by "qualified speakers", but you did you ask on this list? -h On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Maximilian Klein <isalix(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Hello Gender Gap, With some collaborators, I submitted this panel for Wikimania 2014 "Reform of citation structure for all Wikimedia project" [1]. Despite my best efforts (and continuing efforts), I couldn't find any non-men to be on the panel. I asked each of the potential panelists if they knew any other qualified speakers (not specifically women, just other people), asked my old colleagues, put a call out on social media. But it just ended up being all-men. Is it desirable to write something to the effect of "we are cognizant this is an all-male panel, and would like to change the underlying factors" as a preamble to the submissions? And if so, what is the right way? Best, [1] http://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Reform_of_citation_stru… Max Klein http://notconfusing.com/ _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

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Sarah Stierch

7:47 p.m.

"have interest" that is... And by that sentence i meant that they might or might not be in London giving financial situation (some of us are waiting to hear if we get scholarships...) but, damn, the list of women curious about citation improvement and the general chaos of referencing and academia re: Wikipedia is rather endless if we put our minds to it...or our feelers out! -Sar On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

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Yes...I must say..this is the first I have heard about this panel and the outreach seeking women panelists. Including my involvement in numerous open culture mailing lists...(but, perhaps I missed an email seeking participants in my crazy life!). I know a few women who might or might not be in London, but who might have interested in this (from academia and the open culture/knowledge world internationally)... all it would take is a few chances to send a call to action to mailing lists. Not really sure what to say regarding how to deal with having an all male panel. I'm sure it won't be the only one. This is Wikimania after all...and based on our gender ratio.... But, for humor's sake there is always this: http://whiteguysdoingitbythemselves.tumblr.com/ :) Sarah On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Heather Walls <hwalls(a)wikimedia.org>wrote;wrote:

I'm not sure what you mean by "qualified speakers", but you did you ask on this list? -h On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Maximilian Klein <isalix(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

Hello Gender Gap, With some collaborators, I submitted this panel for Wikimania 2014 "Reform of citation structure for all Wikimedia project" [1]. Despite my best efforts (and continuing efforts), I couldn't find any non-men to be on the panel. I asked each of the potential panelists if they knew any other qualified speakers (not specifically women, just other people), asked my old colleagues, put a call out on social media. But it just ended up being all-men. Is it desirable to write something to the effect of "we are cognizant this is an all-male panel, and would like to change the underlying factors" as a preamble to the submissions? And if so, what is the right way? Best, [1] http://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Reform_of_citation_stru… Max Klein http://notconfusing.com/ _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

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Sarah Stierch

8:17 p.m.

Ask women that they know if they know anyone who might have interest. I get emails on a regular basis like that. They rarely say "I'm looking for women or non-males," for the record, but... I always try to make my suggestions with a mix of people, male and female, and sometimes it ends up being a bunch of males with one female suggestion just because that's how it goes (boo!). I make the concerted effort to reach out to people I know in the community. It might not have to involve emailing a mailing list, but, it's a start until you find a community of people with same interests. I'm lucky enough at this point where I know people directly I can reach out towards if I'm going to do a session about the gender gap, GLAM, whatever, but, that wasn't always the case. For example: I'm on a mailing list for GLAM people, involved in "open culture," a colleague send an email out asking if anyone wanted to be involved in implementing a workshop about best practices for a conference. I responded, and it turns out the other person who responded was a woman. Now we have a submission - a man and two women - waiting for review - and we could very well be the only panel at the entire conference like that. And plenty of men could have responded with interest! So anything is possible! :) -Sarah On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Pete Forsyth <peteforsyth(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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There are 516 submissions for Wikimania. I don't know how many are panels -- conservatively, maybe 100? In an ideal world, do we really want 100 people to email this list to seek panelists? How about Wikipedia-related submissions for hundreds of other conferences? My answer would be no -- actually I would go further, I think in many cases (but not all) it's desirable to have an individual gather a panel in private, according to his or her own vision for the topic. If we assume that Max (or somebody like him) wants to explore putting together a panel *without *putting out a public call, are there some specific practices he or she can employ to improve the chances of attracting non-men? Pete [[User:Peteforsyth]] on Wikipedia On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

Yes...I must say..this is the first I have heard about this panel and the outreach seeking women panelists. Including my involvement in numerous open culture mailing lists...(but, perhaps I missed an email seeking participants in my crazy life!). I know a few women who might or might not be in London, but who might have interested in this (from academia and the open culture/knowledge world internationally)... all it would take is a few chances to send a call to action to mailing lists. Not really sure what to say regarding how to deal with having an all male panel. I'm sure it won't be the only one. This is Wikimania after all...and based on our gender ratio.... But, for humor's sake there is always this: http://whiteguysdoingitbythemselves.tumblr.com/ :) Sarah On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Heather Walls <hwalls(a)wikimedia.org>wrote;wrote:

I'm not sure what you mean by "qualified speakers", but you did you ask on this list? -h On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Maximilian Klein <isalix(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

Hello Gender Gap, With some collaborators, I submitted this panel for Wikimania 2014 "Reform of citation structure for all Wikimedia project" [1]. Despite my best efforts (and continuing efforts), I couldn't find any non-men to be on the panel. I asked each of the potential panelists if they knew any other qualified speakers (not specifically women, just other people), asked my old colleagues, put a call out on social media. But it just ended up being all-men. Is it desirable to write something to the effect of "we are cognizant this is an all-male panel, and would like to change the underlying factors" as a preamble to the submissions? And if so, what is the right way? Best, [1] http://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Reform_of_citation_stru… Max Klein http://notconfusing.com/ _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

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Sarah Stierch

8:36 p.m.

+infinity Sam Thanks for your efforts! It's a great representation of the "ally" mentality! -Sarah On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Hi Max, this is surprising to hear! In my experience, "Librarians and OA repository managers", at least in the US and commonwealth countries, are majority female. Any one of them would fit nicely on such a panel. Have you tried asking for candidates at lib-tech events? I recommend noting in your proposal that you are looking for an additional or alternate panelist, if you are indeed doing so; you have some time before finalizing the roster. A tangent: I ask who will be on panels with me and decline requests to be on all-male panels (also suggesting women to invite where I can). This is one way for men to help session organizers improve their search-space for speakers. Warmly, Sam On Apr 2, 2014 6:40 PM, "Maximilian Klein" <isalix(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Gender Gap, With some collaborators, I submitted this panel for Wikimania 2014 "Reform of citation structure for all Wikimedia project" [1]. Despite my best efforts (and continuing efforts), I couldn't find any non-men to be on the panel. I asked each of the potential panelists if they knew any other qualified speakers (not specifically women, just other people), asked my old colleagues, put a call out on social media. But it just ended up being all-men. Is it desirable to write something to the effect of "we are cognizant this is an all-male panel, and would like to change the underlying factors" as a preamble to the submissions? And if so, what is the right way? Best, [1] http://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Reform_of_citation_stru… Max Klein http://notconfusing.com/ _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

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Samuel Klein

3:39 p.m.

Thanks for asking, and thinking about it. You (and that panel topic :) are the best. SJ On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Maximilian Klein <isalix(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Thank you all for your advice, This has given me some ideas about how to better ask in the future. Actually, I see from asking here, that __asking__ for help is one very good way to get. Best, Max Klein http://notconfusing.com/ On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch(a)gmail.com> wrote:

+infinity Sam Thanks for your efforts! It's a great representation of the "ally" mentality! -Sarah On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Max, this is surprising to hear! In my experience, "Librarians and OA repository managers", at least in the US and commonwealth countries, are majority female. Any one of them would fit nicely on such a panel. Have you tried asking for candidates at lib-tech events? I recommend noting in your proposal that you are looking for an additional or alternate panelist, if you are indeed doing so; you have some time before finalizing the roster. A tangent: I ask who will be on panels with me and decline requests to be on all-male panels (also suggesting women to invite where I can). This is one way for men to help session organizers improve their search-space for speakers. Warmly, Sam On Apr 2, 2014 6:40 PM, "Maximilian Klein" <isalix(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Gender Gap, With some collaborators, I submitted this panel for Wikimania 2014 "Reform of citation structure for all Wikimedia project" [1]. Despite my best efforts (and continuing efforts), I couldn't find any non-men to be on the panel. I asked each of the potential panelists if they knew any other qualified speakers (not specifically women, just other people), asked my old colleagues, put a call out on social media. But it just ended up being all-men. Is it desirable to write something to the effect of "we are cognizant this is an all-male panel, and would like to change the underlying factors" as a preamble to the submissions? And if so, what is the right way? Best, [1] http://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Reform_of_citation_stru… Max Klein http://notconfusing.com/ _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

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Kevin Gorman

5:07 p.m.

I don't have links handy offhand, but there are a number of similar efforts in both tech and non-tech fields in the US to what Merle linked - I'll try to put together a page of useful links to such resources and slip it in somewhere on meta when I have the time. Best, Kevin Gorman On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 6:45 AM, Merle Wittich <merle.wittich(a)wikimedia.de>wrote;wrote:

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Hey, in Germany some women were so annoyed by all male panels that they started a homepage to find female speakers and moderators for conferences. Take a look at https://www.speakerinnen.org/en The site is also available (to some extent) in English, but at the moment most of those women are based in Germany (and Austria/Switzerland). Most of the women speak German as mother tongue, but the individual profile indicates the language capabilities. Best, Merle Merle von Wittich Werksstudentin ------------------------------ Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin Tel. +49 30 219158 26-0 http://wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. 2014-04-07 21:39 GMT+02:00 Samuel Klein <meta.sj(a)gmail.com>om>: Thanks for asking, and thinking about it.

You (and that panel topic :) are the best. SJ On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Maximilian Klein <isalix(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you all for your advice, This has given me some ideas about how to better ask in the future. Actually, I see from asking here, that __asking__ for help is one very

good

way to get. Best, Max Klein http://notconfusing.com/ On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > +infinity Sam > > Thanks for your efforts! It's a great representation of the "ally" > mentality! > > -Sarah > > > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Samuel Klein <meta.sj(a)gmail.com>

wrote:

>> >> Hi Max, this is surprising to hear! In my experience, "Librarians

and OA

>> repository managers", at least in the US and commonwealth countries,

are

>> majority female. Any one of them would fit nicely on such a panel.

Have

>> you tried asking for candidates at lib-tech events? >> >> I recommend noting in your proposal that you are looking for an >> additional or alternate panelist, if you are indeed doing so; you

have some

>> time before finalizing the roster. >> >> A tangent: I ask who will be on panels with me and decline requests

to be

>> on all-male panels (also suggesting women to invite where I can).

This is

>> one way for men to help session organizers improve their search-space

for

>> speakers. >> >> Warmly, >> Sam >> >> >> On Apr 2, 2014 6:40 PM, "Maximilian Klein" <isalix(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hello Gender Gap, >>> >>> With some collaborators, I submitted this panel for Wikimania 2014 >>> "Reform of citation structure for all Wikimedia project" [1].

Despite my

>>> best efforts (and continuing efforts), I couldn't find any non-men

to be on

>>> the panel. I asked each of the potential panelists if they knew any

other

>>> qualified speakers (not specifically women, just other people),

asked my old

>>> colleagues, put a call out on social media. But it just ended up

being

>>> all-men. >>> >>> Is it desirable to write something to the effect of "we are cognizant >>> this is an all-male panel, and would like to change the underlying

factors"

>>> as a preamble to the submissions? And if so, what is the right way? >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> [1] >>>

http://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Reform_of_citation_stru…

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