*I must say, you are the first person to openly complain, and if others
feel strongly about it I can cease sharing content that I think needs
urgent help or peer review.
*
Well, I second Caroline. I already said this in Foundation-l but again: I
don't think that delete pictures of Wikipe-tan, remove a vagina from the
article with the same name or create a article for a female pimp (only to
mention a few cases I remember now) are the way we will solve gender gap.
So yes, please stop post this here, or use the
list.
And Sarah, this "If you don't like you can sign the digest mode" sounds
rude to me, as if you are inviting her to leave. (I'm not a english native,
but that is how appears to me)
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construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*
On 25 December 2011 17:03, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Caroline,
I apologize if my occasional posting of an "interesting" article in
English Wikipedia has been a burden, deterrent, or has went against the
"goal" of this mailing list for you. Since I have joined, it has been
something we have been doing, and the past month or so the list has been
rather quiet compared to other times in the past. In the past, when we have
shared articles of questionable matter, subject, sexism, or other issues,
we've had great success of working together or independently to improve
those articles, and often those improvements have been done by women who
are on this list, which is very cool. I of course urge folks in any
language to share content, however, with most Wikipedia mailing lists,
systematic "language" bias does exist, as many are in English, though I
know that was not the main point of your post.
Thanks for the suggestions. I'll probably start out discussing it on the
talk page of the article and also the project page.
Again, I apologize if my own interests in article improvement in English
Wikipedia have deterred or went against the mission of this mailing list. I
must say, you are the first person to openly complain, and if others feel
strongly about it I can cease sharing content that I think needs urgent
help or peer review. As you did state, we could be pointing out issues of
sexism all the time, however, sometimes I feel there are things of interest
to the broader community, or something that might interest someone. (And
while it has mainly been me lately, if you explore the history of the
mailing list it's usually not just me flooding up your mailbox =) )
I also must add, my sharing of articles of interest and concern have
wielded nothing but positive on.Wiki improvement of these subjects, which
for me, means the closing of the gender gap in a different manner - one
more subject area related to women or women's history which is covered in a
more equal and respectful manner.
We also offer, as you probably know, a digest mode, so, if this list is
too busy for you (I think we are rather minimal these days, compared to
lists such as internal-l and foundation-l) that might be something to
consider. I'm glad you have joined and chosen to participate, and I am
really sorry if my posts have been intruding.
Sarah
*Sarah Stierch*
Wikimedia Foundation Community Fellow
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On 12/25/11 5:59 AM, Caroline Becker wrote:
Hi everyone,
I'm sorry that my first post on the gender-gap list is a little mean.
I'm a wikipedia-fr admin, active member of Wikimédia France chapter and a
member of the OTRS team. Yet, since I've joined gender-gap a week early, I
receive more mails from this list than all the other lists together. I'm
also not a native English speaker, which means every mail takes me a little
longer of my time.
I thought the goal of this list was to discuss about women on wikimedia
projects and how to attract new ones. I don't think it is useful to point
out every single piece of sexism from en-wikipedia, in articles and
discussion pages, for that. Or start
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_gap/en-wikipedia. I could point out
sexism comments from fr-wikipedia every day, but I'm really not sure it is
a constructive thing to do.
To come back to Madam vs Pimp, I think you either should start the
discussion there :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Sexology_and_sexual…,
or stop asking permission to create articles. If it bothers someone, she
will ask for a fusion.
Caroline (User:Léna)
2011/12/25 Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch(a)gmail.com>
Hi everyone,
I'm doing a bit of fiddling with some articles related to sexuality and
came across an article about a madam [[Polly Adler]]. The word "madam" was
linked to [[pimp]]. While the article opens mentioning that a woman who
runs a brothel is called a madam, it's an extremely male dominated article
and focuses on the violent and sordid world of "being a pimp," for lack of
better words.
I, frankly, would *love* to see madam have it's own article. Perhaps we
should discuss it on the "pimp" page or just BE BOLD. (I don't have time
to
start a well fleshed out madam article, but, I'd be interested in perhaps
collaborating with others to do it.)
Thoughts?
-Sarah
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