Thanks for the link and explanation. It fooled me then, I saw it as
simple bigotry and stopped reading about it, or anything that Tarc had
to say from there on.
I agree with your comment about being cautious about sarcasm or
reductio ad absurdum on the internet. Bigoted language as a joke,
parody or rhetorical trick is not just prone to back-firing but when
at this level of nastiness, is going to stick, and be incredibly hard
to return from.
Fae
On 26 January 2015 at 18:15, Neotarf <neotarf(a)gmail.com> wrote:
There is a thread on the PD talk page that will
explain it, but I can't seem
to find the original.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Manni…
Tarc was using a rhetorical device called "reductio ad absurdum"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum
It always backfires on the internet, since no one can tell the difference
between a real bigot and someone pretending to be a bigot in order to mock
bigotry. I would like to think I'm good at spotting sarcasm and
tongue-in-cheek statements, but I was fooled completely. I remember
thinking that Tarc's political views were not what I had thought them to be.
But as it turned out, he was the same old Tarc after all. The tactic might
have had the desired effect, and who knows, maybe tilted the case in the
direction that Tarc had intended. But people don't like to be fooled, this
kind of thing usually ends in hostility.
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Sarah <slimvirgin(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 3:43 AM, Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Tarc, I felt your "lipstick on a pig" comment about a transexual was
not just disgusting, but was a key example of why we needed a WM-LGBT
user group to both highlight and gradually improve a hostile culture
on Wikimedia projects that appeared to allow blatantly anti-LGBT
attitudes and language on its projects under the guise of "being a
joke" or "teasing".
I stopped following any of the crap related to your defamatory
language, so if you apologised I missed it. If you did apologize,
could you give a link to it, or if not then maybe a thread here or
Wikimedia-l might be a good way of building some bridges with members
of minority groups that you took part in driving away from Wikipedia
through comments like this?
Thanks,
Fae
Hi Fae, Tarc wrote during or after the Chelsea Manning case that his
comments had been a false-flag operation, intended to shine a spotlight on
transphobia. He acknowledged that this was not a good way to do it, and as I
recall he apologized.
Sarah
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