Thanks for the link and explanation. It fooled me then, I saw it as simple bigotry and stopped reading about it, or anything that Tarc had to say from there on.
I agree with your comment about being cautious about sarcasm or reductio ad absurdum on the internet. Bigoted language as a joke, parody or rhetorical trick is not just prone to back-firing but when at this level of nastiness, is going to stick, and be incredibly hard to return from.
Fae
On 26 January 2015 at 18:15, Neotarf neotarf@gmail.com wrote:
There is a thread on the PD talk page that will explain it, but I can't seem to find the original. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Mannin...
Tarc was using a rhetorical device called "reductio ad absurdum" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum
It always backfires on the internet, since no one can tell the difference between a real bigot and someone pretending to be a bigot in order to mock bigotry. I would like to think I'm good at spotting sarcasm and tongue-in-cheek statements, but I was fooled completely. I remember thinking that Tarc's political views were not what I had thought them to be. But as it turned out, he was the same old Tarc after all. The tactic might have had the desired effect, and who knows, maybe tilted the case in the direction that Tarc had intended. But people don't like to be fooled, this kind of thing usually ends in hostility.
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Sarah slimvirgin@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 3:43 AM, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Tarc, I felt your "lipstick on a pig" comment about a transexual was not just disgusting, but was a key example of why we needed a WM-LGBT user group to both highlight and gradually improve a hostile culture on Wikimedia projects that appeared to allow blatantly anti-LGBT attitudes and language on its projects under the guise of "being a joke" or "teasing".
I stopped following any of the crap related to your defamatory language, so if you apologised I missed it. If you did apologize, could you give a link to it, or if not then maybe a thread here or Wikimedia-l might be a good way of building some bridges with members of minority groups that you took part in driving away from Wikipedia through comments like this?
Thanks, Fae
Hi Fae, Tarc wrote during or after the Chelsea Manning case that his comments had been a false-flag operation, intended to shine a spotlight on transphobia. He acknowledged that this was not a good way to do it, and as I recall he apologized.
Sarah
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