She's an African woman. She's won Yale's big prize. She is notable except this guy thought she wasn't.The I LOVE THIS book site mean to show she also had a general appeal. I see how they expect so much more to justify notability for a woman of color than a male author of potboilers. It's discouraging and the gender list even more so. Thanks for your input. I just don't think the wikipeople feel women count. They have to show so much more than the men. Thank you for taking the time.
-K
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Jodi Schneider jschneider@pobox.com wrote:
Hi Kathleen,
I suppose you are writing about this revision (or thereabouts):
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=October_(novel)&direction=next...
A notability tag is not a "Scarlet A": it is merely a sign that the notability of the topic hasn't been sufficiently asserted.
The best way to avoid it?
Choose multiple, clear, independent sources. Check the subject-specific notability guidelines. For books, for instance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(books)
Given a revision with two sources, one from a little-known site called "we love this book", it's unsurprising! Remember that editors come from all backgrounds and we don't all know as much as/the same things as you!
I've thought a lot about notability, as a researcher, so if you want to talk more about it, let me know!
-Jodi
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:39 PM, Kathleen McCook klmccook@gmail.com wrote:
The reason I asked to discuss here is to ascertain whether or not there seems to be a different set of notability standards by gender.
I encourage students to contribute to Wikipedia. But when notability is an editor's decision with so many exceptions...how do you encourage?
Really, I am careful and if a book by a brilliant woman like Zoe Wicomb causes notability queries..how, on earth, can this gender gap be addressed?
Here is Ms. Wicomb's prize announcement at Yale. http://windhamcampbell.org/2013/winner/zo%C3%AB-wicomb
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Pete Forsyth peteforsyth@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Daniel and Elizabeth Case < dancase@frontiernet.net> wrote:
On what basis in Clive Cussler notable?
That he’s a regular denizen of the bestseller lists in many countries who’s had works adapted into major motion pictures (To be honest, I think we should say that “all published works by authors who have their paperbacks displayed prominently in the racks near the front of bookstores at airports are notable [image: Smile]“).
Well, I don't know. I had never heard of Cussler before today (don't spend a lot of time in airport bookshops), but I did look at a couple of his novels' Wikipedia articles, and they didn't indicate significance any better than the October article. (One of them had a single, ephemeral reference; the other had 7 that seemed pretty thin.)
I can see how Kathleen would be frustrated by what surely appears from her perspective to be a double standard.
Pete [[User:Peteforsyth]]
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