There is a tendency of men to disregard women's discussion of issues
that affect them so, yes, men on a list like this can undermine its
purpose.
--Kathleen
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Risker <risker.wp(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I'm sorry Derric, but I think the topic of this
thread is the notion that
many men, including those in administrator roles (e.g. list moderators)
simply don't even recognize misogyny, and don't recognize the importance of
providing systems by which women (and others, for that matter) can easily
limit the ability of people who have caused them problems from continuing to
communicate with them.
The focus on technology here is very important. Right now, there is no way
for Wikimedians to control from whom they receive "email this user" emails,
or pings through the notification system. We know that both have been, and
continue to be, vectors for harassment and trolling. There's never, to my
knowledge, been any consideration given to including these features. We
keep being told we're going to get this wonderful new communication system
called "Flow" to replace talk pages. Features that allow users to control
who posts to their "page", or even to let non-admin users remove individual
threads or posts from their "stream", aren't included - and I'm not
sure
they're even under consideration.
And I'm going to be honest - I've seen more people blocked for
"homophobic"
comments than "misogynistic" ones.
Nemo, your "Hm, we've discussed that author before... oh well." is really
unhelpful and dismissive - and is pretty much exactly the kind of statement
that Violet Blue is talking about in her article. It comes across as "She
wrote something I didn't agree with in the past, so there's no reason to
ever pay attention to her again". I am really hoping you didn't intend that.
And Carol has a point. There are now more men posting to this thread than
there are women. And most of you have missed the point entirely. Heaven
help us from those who see themselves as our saviours.
Risker
On 23 June 2014 09:57, Derric Atzrott <datzrott(a)alizeepathology.com> wrote:
Carol
Moore dc, 23/06/2014 06:34:
A lot of women used to be outspoken about all this here when this email
list started, but that stopped after a bunch of guys joined and started
hassling them about it.
SURPRISE!!
By looking at this directory, I can tell that I mostly stopped reading
this list in January 2012, one week after a fight between two vocal
women.
Nemo
Nemo and Carol both, I really don't like the direction that this
discussion is
going. Can we please steer it back on topic and remember why we are all
here?
From the Mailing list signup page:
"Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation
of
women within Wikimedia projects.
Wikimedia Foundation surveys show that the participation of women in
Wikipedia
and related projects are between 9 and 13 percent. This mailing list is
provided by the Wikimedia Foundation as a communication tool to
collectively
address the realities of the gender gap within our projects. We are
focused
on discussing solutions and exploring opportunities that may serve as a
starting point to improve gender equity, increase the participation of
women
and trans women, and reduce the impact of the gender gap within Wikipedia,
Wikimedia Commons, and the 'free knowledge movement'. We want to encourage
you
to engage with others in this effort. Your thoughts and opinions in this
regard matter to us and to the community."
Thank you,
Derric Atzrott
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