nice work
this is worth making into do list and adding to women in red tasks
it might be worth scraping nytimes and working back, i.e.
this is a nice task for newbies, like the 1lib1ref for everyone, just
sprinkling nytimes notability dust throughout.
cheers.
On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:51 AM, Neotarf <neotarf(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, a bot-driven list would be quite helpful, if for
no other reason than
being standardized and therefore race- and gender-blind as far as selection
criteria. I have just finished compiling a list from the NYT article, and
it was very labor intensive just to generate the list, before even starting
to look for red links.
Note, obituary notices from international newspapers are "articles", not
advertisements; for further info see the NYT article on how to tell their
classified pages from an article.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/25/business/media/25asktheeditors.html
Also see the WP article on "obituary".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obituary
The *articles* referenced in the above "lists of notable deaths in 2015"
are:
**Los Angeles Times*, "Notable deaths of 2015"
http://www.latimes.com/local/obituaries/la-me-2015-notable-deaths-gallery-p…
**The Washington Post*, "Notable deaths of 2015 and 2016"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/notable-deaths-of-2015/2015…
*The Wall Street Journal, "2015 Year in Review: Notable Deaths"
http://www.wsj.com/articles/2015-year-in-review-notable-deaths-1450647522
*The Telegraph, "Culture stars who died in 2015"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/music/news/culture-stars-who-died-in-2015/
**BBC*, "Notable UK deaths of 2015"
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35060400
**New York Times,* "Notable Deaths of 2015"
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/obituaries/notable-deaths-2015.html…
Out of the 200-odd notable deaths in the NYT article, the following women
are red links:
* December*: Mariuccia Mandelli, Peggy Say; *November*; Janet Wolfe;
*October*: Olga Hirshhorn; *August*:Blondell Cummings, *April*: Evelyn
Starks Hardy, Anne-Claude Leflaive.
In addition, there are problems noted--several of the articles are stubs,
one appears to be at the wrong name, one shares an article with her
husband, and others have tags for reasons that are not immediately
apparent. One could wish the people who tag these things would actually
fix them if they see a problem, or at least leave a note on the talk page.
I noted several of the articles did not have photos, but did not make a
note of that. Is there some checklist? It would seem if they are now
deceased it would be possible to find a fair-use image. Complete notes and
links, as well as links to existing articles are at:
https://neotarf.wordpress.com/2016/01/25/lists-of-notable-deaths-of-2015/
On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 2:59 PM, J Hayes <slowking4(a)gmail.com> wrote:
i should not imagine a fear of paid notices,
should prevent a systematic
inclusion of NYTimes obits, which are assumed notable.
especially with the reference generator doing all the formatting.
no one is doing this; the article mentions 25% female among these. i.e.
we don't include reliable sources even to the extent they present less of a
gap than we do.
On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Daniel and Elizabeth Case <
dancase(a)frontiernet.net> wrote:
At least
in the USA, we have to be cautious about "what is an
obituary."
Newspapers also run "death notices" which (both in print and
online) look much like obituaries, but are
actually paid advertisements.
I'm not even certain that the terminology
("obituary"=editorial, >"death
notice"=paid ad) is consistent across news outlets, I'm just reflecting
what I learned from the specific papers I dealt with after >my dad died.
Writing as someone who once got paid to write newspaper obits, “paids”
are, in print, always in [[agate type]], like sports boxscores; obits look
like any other story in the same newspaper.
However, textwise, the distinction may be blurring as newspapers cut
back on expenses (such as the newbies and interns who cut their
journalistic teeth writing obits. Just earlier this week, a young coworker
of my wife’s died rather suddenly; when I saw his obit in our local paper I
figured they had just printed the text the funeral home sent along since it
read like a paid, with all sorts of flowery, non-NPOV language that we
never included in obits back in the mid-‘90s regardless of what the funeral
home said in the fax, no mention whatsoever of the cause of death, and
mentions of a rather wide scope of survivors (the main reason for paids, as
families of the decedents usually want to mention relatives outside the
scope of the immediate family that newspapers limit their obits to for
space if nothing else).
Daniel Case
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