yes, i have been writing poetry bios for a while (and there is a bias in the historical data)
and transcribing on wikisource tends to be by book and not individual poem (that tends to be an older practice) the oclc metadata tends to be by book, so we may need some hand curation, since we have individual poems like a chapter, there is a page to link to.
i have not done too many literature articles; they are harder to write, and require expertise; i kind of despaired meeting the Wadewitz standard
maybe we should do an literature editathon?
On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org wrote:
You're right Lennart! It looks like I was limiting the query to only poems which had the inception date set. I re-ran the queries and got:
Poems by women: 1542 Poems by men: 20072 Ratio: 1:13
Poems by women with articles on English Wikipedia: 162 Poems by men with articles on English Wikipedia: 992 Ratio: 1:6
Those numbers look a bit more reasonable :) But still plenty of room for improvement! Thanks for double-checking my work.
On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 12:32 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson < l_guldbrandsson@hotmail.com> wrote:
Interesting. Thanks!
I am not saying the results are skewed, but there are lots of poems that are in Wikisource that lack Wikidata entries. For instance, this list of Emily Dickinson poems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ List_of_Emily_Dickinson_poems
The first poem in her template is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Success_is_Counted_Sweetes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Success_is_Counted_Sweetestwhich has its own Wikidata entry: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7632593 This poem was not listed on the Wikidata query poems by women: http://tinyurl.com/kq4bq8x nor on the query poems by women on English Wikipedia, so all poems are not counted as they should be.
This is not to say that there is not probably a poem gap (wonderful term). Just that we should check the numbers before we go public with them.
Best wishes,
Lennart Guldbrandsson
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Just out of curiosity, I used the Wikidata Query Service to see how many poems by women are in Wikidata. The answer is 5. If you do the same query for men, you get 255. If you restrict the queries to poems that have articles on English Wikipedia you get 1 and 57, i.e. according to Wikidata there is only one article about a poem by a woman on English Wikipedia. This probably isn't accurate, but it's still a surprising result. While I understand that poetry (and writing in general) has historically been the domain of men, does a 50 to 1 ratio really reflect the historical reality? Anyway, just something to chew on.
If you want to run the queries yourself (or modify them) here they are:
Poems by women: http://tinyurl.com/kq4bq8x Poems by men: http://tinyurl.com/m7mqynq
Poems by women with articles on English Wikipedia: http://tinyurl.com/mzj6wak Poems by men with articles on English Wikipedia: http://tinyurl.com/mnmsnkl
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