Yesterday, on Jimbo's talkpage, section titled "Sexism on Wikipedia", an editor wrote: "... Apparently it's very easy to construct this narrative of 'we have a problem, yes we do!' with disregard to rational analysis. It all has a very shallow American activist feel to it." This infuriated me on multiple levels and I left a response on Jimbo's page: "This issue may be near and dear to many -- including those who keep mute for fear of retribution -- so unless someone can substantiate that the issue is 'shallow', I'd say to avoid referring to it in that way. I'm also unclear why this has an 'American activist' feel to it, but I haven't tried to figure out who lives where. Yes, Lightbreather's examples appear to be written by Americans, but in my mind, the issue isn't American-centric at all."
Then I read the post on this list about the anxiety expressed by Latina women and it underscored to me that this isn't an "American" issue. Where you sit when you edit doesn't matter as we're part of a virtual community. Global issue, right??
-Rosie User:Rosiestep
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Today's Topics:
- Re: Sexualized environment on Commons (Kathleen McCook)
- Re: Sexualized environment on Commons (LtPowers)
- Re: Sexualized environment on Commons (Jeremy Baron)
- Discussion on Jimbo Wales talk page (Carol Moore dc)
- Tweet on Paula England (Kathleen McCook)
- Re: Tweet on Paula England (Sarah Stierch)
- Re: Tweet on Paula England (Kathleen McCook)
- Sessions at Wikimania related to gender gap (Netha Hussain)
- Re: Sexualized environment on Commons (Pine W)
- Re: Sexualized environment on Commons (Michael J. Lowrey)
- Re: Sexualized environment on Commons (Pine W)
- Re: Sexualized environment on Commons (Michael J. Lowrey)
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- Re: Sexualized environment on Commons (Sarah Stierch)
- Re: Sexualized environment on Commons (Pine W)
- Re: Sexualized environment on Commons (Michael J. Lowrey)
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- Re: Sexualized environment on Commons (Pine W)
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- Re: Sexualized environment on Commons (Pine W)
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- Re: Tweet on Paula England (Tom Morris)
Message: 1 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 09:22:28 -0400 From: Kathleen McCook klmccook@gmail.com To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the participation of women within Wikimedia projects." gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Sexualized environment on Commons Message-ID: < CA+ETL-YX_CJQ-bvv-5kiaAcm85zn-KhHbVq3Hu2pKBV_rAJ3Kw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Getting women to stick around...
I had a class of 25. About 20 women and 5 men. The women, especially Latina women, expressed much anxiety over various treatments--all over the map. Esp. comments and tone of talk pages.Lack of politeness and common courtesies. Today, a year later, only 2 (of 20) women are editing, but the men have become engaged contributors.
Should we tell people at the outset that this is sort of an Outward Bound experience? Survival only of the thick skinned? I do believe this is too bad. As a teacher if I treated students the way Wikipedians treat new contributors, I would be sent for continuing education. Most people want to edit to contribute, not to be wrangled to the mat. Too many women who begin to edit are made to feel belittled, stupid and small. This is crazy. So much talent and good will is nattered away.
--Kathleen.
Kathleen de la Peña McCook Distinguished University Professor of Librarianship USF/SI: http://si.usf.edu/faculty/kmccook/ Academia.edu: https://usf.academia.edu/KathleendelaPe%C3%B1aMcCook Library Thing:: http://www.librarything.com/catalog/klmccook/allcollections
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 2:04 AM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Keilana,
J-mo discussed similar thoughs in the presentation videos that I just
sent
to some of the other email lists. Perhaps you could brainstorm ideas
with
him and other interested people at Wikimania?
Pine On Aug 1, 2014 10:37 PM, "Keilana" keilanawiki@gmail.com wrote:
To briefly go back to what Sarah and Marie have said, I do find that in person hand-holding and social support are the most effective factors in getting women to stick around. I don't know how to translate that from
the
real-world environment I teach newbies in to the virtual environment of
new
users' talk pages. I'd love to brainstorm something in that vein,
though. :)
-Emily
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:40 PM, A. Mani a.mani.cms@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 7:10 PM, Carol Moore dc carolmooredc@verizon.net wrote:
Then I looked at this political poster image https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Courageous_Cunts.jpg which leads to this site http://courageouscunts.com/
I think nobody has bothered to write much on the movement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courageous_Cunts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labia_pride_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Labia_Project has no content
Contrast that with the content on this site: http://largelabiaproject.org
Best
A. Mani
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