There are two questions here, and I think it's important to look at them
separately:
* How does systemic bias manifest in what is kept, and what is not, on
Wikipedia?
* What is the best way for a student to engage with Wikipedia?
I'd like to address the second one, where I have more experience. It
depends on what learning outcomes aiming for. If you're looking to give the
student some practical experience with Wikipedia, in a general way -- which
is what I've done -- I would strongly urge you to design your lessons in a
way that guide students away from topics where notability is a substantial
concern (grey areas) in their early edits. Put them in a context where they
are more likely to have productive encounters, than difficult arguments.
If you're looking to have the students engage with Wikipedia's systemic
bias, I think it might be more worthwhile to have them evaluate existing
deletion debates (and similar discussions) -- rather than having them
contribute directly to Wikipedia. I think it would be easier for them to
look at a larger number of cases, and observe without having their personal
attachment to an article come into play, if they read stuff that they
haven't been involved in.
-Pete
[[User:Peteforsyth]]
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Kathleen McCook <klmccook(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
The reason I asked to discuss here is to ascertain
whether or not there
seems to be a different set of notability standards by gender.
I encourage students to contribute to Wikipedia.
But when notability is an editor's decision with so many exceptions...how
do you encourage?
Really, I am careful and if a book by a brilliant woman like Zoe Wicomb
causes notability queries..how, on earth, can this gender gap be addressed?
Here is Ms. Wicomb's prize announcement at Yale.
http://windhamcampbell.org/2013/winner/zo%C3%AB-wicomb
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Pete Forsyth <peteforsyth(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Daniel and
Elizabeth Case <
dancase(a)frontiernet.net> wrote:
On what basis in Clive Cussler notable?
That he’s a regular denizen of the bestseller lists in many countries
who’s had works adapted into major motion pictures (To be honest, I think
we should say that “all published works by authors who have their
paperbacks displayed prominently in the racks near the front of bookstores
at airports are notable [image: Smile]“).
Well, I don't know. I had never heard of Cussler before today (don't
spend a lot of time in airport bookshops), but I did look at a couple of
his novels' Wikipedia articles, and they didn't indicate significance any
better than the October article. (One of them had a single, ephemeral
reference; the other had 7 that seemed pretty thin.)
I can see how Kathleen would be frustrated by what surely appears from
her perspective to be a double standard.
Pete
[[User:Peteforsyth]]
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