I think the overall medium-term results so far has been one person at
most per course staying on Wikipedia after the course, and more
frequently nobody at all. I think this not necessarily a result of
bad experiences or coercion, but rather that curiosity is not
necessarily going to equal participation. Myself, I've looked at many
things on the web (& elsewhere) (&, for that matter, various WMF
projects & types of work on Wikipedia) & participated long enough to
understand them , but decided not to continue--not from
dissatisfaction, but just because other things interested me more.
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson
<l_guldbrandsson(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
Sarah's conclusions are in sync with what I've
heard from the team at the
Wikimedia Foundation. But, and that's a crucial point, the goal with the
collaborations with the universites is not to make everyone a Wikipedian. I
know, that may be strange or counter-intuitive. It certainly was for me.
Instead, the goal is to increase the quality of those articles that they
university courses are working on, and if some of those who edited during
the course stays on as Wikipedians, that's terrific, but it cannot be the
goal. I am sure that Frank Schulenburg, Rod Dunican, LiAnna Davis or the
other people in the (now) Global Education team can provide more insight
into their original thinking. Or Pete Forsythe, for that matter, who I know
is on this list.
I know that is but one of the aspects of Sarah's email, but it's the one
aspect I know something about :-)
Best wishes,
Lennart
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Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 10:30:10 -0400
From: sarah.stierch(a)gmail.com
To: fredbaud(a)fairpoint.net; gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Supporting Campus Ambassador programs [Fwd: Issue
of Copy-Pasting]
I took some time last week and actually went through the "female" editors
(many of the students openly identify their real names and/or genders)
participating in class programs.
1) Most don't edit Wikipedia after the class is over - and this goes beyond
gender. I determined this by studying their user contributions and also
using a tool to examine contributions and gender for specific WikiProjects
(specifically WP:Public art which developed as a program with students
before the Campus Ambassador program existed)
2) A nice amount of them generally get slaps on the hand for their lack of
understanding on "How Wikipedia Works"
I'm not sure if this means that something in the system is broken (i.e.
we're not educating students and professors on how Wikipedia works write,
we're not providing ongoing outreach - which seems to be a problem in a lot
of areas of WP outreach...), that the students genuinely have no interest
(and that's fine, they are "forced" to do it, after all), or what..
Some of these problems involve image deletion (due to lack of understanding
on how fair use/copyright works in Wikipedia), article deletion, blocking of
accounts, or just plain calling people out on their talk pages. I didn't
gather all this information in a pile - I've looked at upwards of a thousand
female editors accounts over the past two weeks - but, it's there, if you
dig around a bit.
-Sarah
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Fred Bauder <fredbaud(a)fairpoint.net> wrote:
Help is needed.
Fred
--------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: Issue of Copy-Pasting
From: "Hisham" <hisham(a)wikimedia.org>
Date: Fri, October 7, 2011 7:46 am
To: "Wikipedia Ambassadors India"
<wikipedia-ambassadors-india(a)googlegroups.com>
wikipedia-online-ambassadors(a)googlegroups.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi Team
This problem is continuing and is fast approaching disaster proportions.
Please see these comments
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:India_Education_Program#Queries_from_the_Wikipedia_community>
and
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Ambassadors#Concerns_over_impact_on_article_quality>
Please urgently do the following
a) Constantly repeat to every student that copy-pasting is not acceptable
b) Monitor the work of your students - and make sure they edit in their
sandboxes before they go live (and only go live after you ok it.)
c) Please let's have the Campus & Online Ambassadors working closely with
each other to do point (b) and to track, monitor and correct the work of
your respective students.
In the next few days and weeks, the problem is going to explode unless we
control it because many students' deadlines are approaching.
Please treat this matter with the highest urgency. The very future of
our program is at stake.
Many thanks.
hisham
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