Could you please clarify, Lightbreather? Do you
mean a wikiproject that
is *only* open to women/those who identify as women? Because all
wikiprojects are open to all interested editors, generally speaking.
Would that not require editors to have to publicly self-identify? How
would that be done?
Risker/Anne
On 31 December 2014 at 10:31, LB <lightbreather2(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Is it simply impossible to start a Wikipedia
project that's open to
women, or people who identify as women? (I'm sorry if I don't use the
correct terms, but I haven't kept up with them in recent years.)
I mean if we did it... what would the consequences be?
Lightbreather
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Sarah <slimvirgin(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 7:43 PM, LB <lightbreather2(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Why abandon it? Let's reclaim it. Just ignore those who try to
>> distract and derail. There are sanctions so no nastiness, but nastiness is
>> not my usual style anyway.
>>
>
> I don't know whether it's better to abandon, reclaim or move it. But
> it has been a lesson in how deep Wikipedia's sexism runs. Any journalists
> in future wanting examples of it need only read those archives and the
> dispute-resolution threads that failed to deal with it (which one of us
> ought to compile at some point).
>
> Marie, I saw the suggestion on GGTF that women might prefer to edit
> "[f]ashion, cookery, domestic affairs, childrearing". Is it worth
> continuing with it when that's what we have to deal with?
>
> Sarah
>
>
>
>
>> On Dec 30, 2014 10:25 AM, "Marie Earley" <eiryel(a)hotmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>>> We're abandoning the GGTF on Wikipedia? Fair enough.
>>>
>>> It was just that I had an editor accused me of radical feminism POV
>>> pushing on GGTF via my talk page (I dared to say that it was
"interesting"
>>> that the example topics that he thought women would be interested in
>>> editing, other than feminism, might be "*fashion, cookery, domestic
>>> affairs and childrearing*" rather than "*science, business,
>>> filmmaking or politics*"). There was then this follow-on swipe on
>>> GGTF.
>>>
>>> > "...one of the reasonable first steps toward seeing what women in
>>> wikipedia thinks needs to be done most would be to actively ask women who
>>> have self-identified as women what content of particular interest to women
>>> might be underrepresented or undercovered here. Those women would
>>> presumably be in a better position to clearly state their concerns than
>>> would be individuals who can only speculate on them or draw potentially
>>> flawed assumptions based on limited previous personal experience."
>>>
>>> So, my potentially flawed assumptions and limited previous personal
>>> experience are surplus to requirements at the GGTF. The plan now seems to
>>> go out and find answers that fit a pre-existing narrative about what is
>>> causing the Gender Gap.
>>>
>>> So... "I believe the Gender Gap is caused by women who want to
>>> write about knitting thinking that Wikipedia does not welcome articles
>>> about knitting." I will create a skewed survey to fit this narrative
and
>>> get the "right kind of women" to fill it in and prove my
pre-conceived
>>> notions correct.
>>>
>>> I really don't see the point of it. If you ask 1,000 female editors,
>>> "What kind of articles do you like to edit?", then you'll get
1,000 answers
>>> with a wide variety of topics. What would that prove? Suppose you find 90%
>>> of them edit traditionally feminine topics, what conclusion would you draw
>>> from it? Would it prove that they clearly prefer to edit those topics, or
>>> those are the topics that they feel less likely to encounter intimidation,
>>> or a combination of the two? I just think the GGTF board is currently being
>>> used to promote a truly pointless exercise.
>>>
>>> Marie
>>>
>>
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