While I am waiting for the email confirmation disenrolling me from this
email list, I think this is only going to work if:
1) Someone establishes some metric for determining if the training is
helping
2) If there is some teeth to failure to adhere to the training once its
been taken. If the WMF has no intention of dealing with admins who continue
to violate policy, then there is no reason to force them to take the
training.
3) The training is also taken by editors. The majority of the problems
come from the editors so they should also have some need to take the
training
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Siko Bouterse <sbouterse(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
Along similar lines, this pilot training has been suggested for admins:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Gender-gap_admin_training
And The Ada Initiative said they were interested in providing training
for such a pilot. WMF grantmakers like myself would be pleased to see
something like this develop into a proposal, if folks felt it was worth
trying.
It might make sense to pilot at the admin level before focusing on
functionaries like stewards, because admins have more day-to-day
interactions with individual editors (and thus more opportunities to
facilitate an on-wiki environment that supports diversity).
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Reguyla <reguyla(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I think this might be a good idea but it would be
pretty hard to
implement and I think, unnecessary. Most of the functionaries got to where
they are because they have a calm demeanor and generally are fair in how
they treat others. Additionally, its not usually the functionaries who are
the problem. So without requiring the editors to perform the diversity
training, I'm not sure how much it would help.
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Chris Keating <
chriskeatingwiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Don't know if this has been floated before -
apologies if so - but:
Part of the problem we have is the sheer depth of ignorance among
otherwise well-intentioned community members.
This depth of ignorance is naturally shared by the people who play
leadership roles in the community. So we end up with stewards, arbitrators
and bureaucrats who potentially end up reinforcing the gender gap problem
because they just have no clue how the structure they maintain can
sometimes be a tool to exclude people.
How about offering some form of diversity training to functionaries to
help broaden perspectives and raise understanding? Obviously, from the
point of view of supporting them to do their difficult and fairly thankless
roles better, rather than beating them with diversity sticks.
It could happen (indeed, WMF could make it happen with some volunteer
input); could it help?
Chris
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