Ryan Kaldari, 08/05/2013 07:09:
On 5/7/13 9:57 AM, Russavia wrote:
Frankly, I don't know why this is a "feminist" issue; rather than an issue of common sense.
Agreed. I often find it is counter-productive to frame these sort of debates in terms of feminism/sexism/etc. [...]
Sure. I'm not following this list that closely lately, but since when it's been hijacked by musty debates on nudity images? Is it the end of any hope in the usefulness of this list/group, or just a phase? I guess it's a pattern, we now entered the equivalent of the 1980s decadence of feminism. http://caae.phil.cmu.edu/cavalier/Forum/pornography/background/CMC_article.h... «Combining both sexual preference issues and political coercion concerns, Pat Califia sees the MacKinnon/Dworkin legal initiative as opening the door for suppression of gay rights and the gay life-style.» So in the next decade we may see better understanding. Is there something we can learn from the past to make this process less painful? Maybe: «Feminists should reconsider their role in advancing or obstructing the agendas of sex worker unions, and how their work on behalf of the many victims of sexual violence can be continued without perpetuating the marginalization of sex performers and providers.» http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminist-sex-markets/ Or as a student says: «In the course of my research, I do believe that the older feminist stance on pornography, as represented by the leaders of the heyday of the feminist anti-pornography movement, Catherine McKinnon and Andrea Dworkin, is one that has been subsequently revealed to be both outdated and no longer useful for modern feminists. [...] I would argue in focusing on the evils of pornography, feminists are merely masking larger, deeper, and far more important issues.» http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1630
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